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Dotcom roadshow

Dotcom roadshow wows the crowd

Standing room only at Internet-Mana meeting

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IT'S MY PARTY: Internet-Mana Party founder Kim Dotcom arrives at the Nelson Marlborough Institute of Technology’s Kowhai Lounge last night.

Georgina Beyer was loud and feisty, Laila Harre was articulate and thoughtful, but it was Kim Dotcom who the 200-plus audience was most curious to see, and the giant German didn't disappoint.

Last night's Internet-Mana roadshow at Nelson Marlborough Institute of Technology, the first South Island stop, had the trappings of a band tour.

There was a stylish young DJ playing and swaying to light hip-hop as she warmed up the crowd. There was a road crew, all in black, moving seats, checking sound equipment and handing out information.

There was a tall, black-clad, miked security man who tested the strength of the low stage by bouncing up and down a couple of times, and a 20-minute delay on the advertised start time of 6pm.

By then the crowd was spilling through the rear doors of NMIT's Kowhai Lounge, with around 50 left to stand outside.

This was double what Labour's David Cunliffe and the Conservatives' Colin Craig got at their Nelson meetings a fortnight ago.

Last night's audience included everyone from tattooed young people to silver-haired grandmothers, with strong representation by the middle-aged.

Internet Party leader Harre and Mana's representative, Te Tai Tonga candidate Beyer, were welcomed warmly, but it was the arrival of Dotcom, to a pumping rock beat, that got the biggest cheer.

Wearing the team colour (black) and sporting his usual scarf, he said the big crowds the roadshow was pulling showed there was an appetite for "the progressive and disruptive political force" of Internet-Mana.

"We cannot just rely on our old economy, our farming, the sale of milk powder and our forestry industries. We need to focus on the digital age, on technology and the internet to take this country forward."

"We are not a First World country when it comes to connectivity and technology. We are more like Zimbabwe, and that has to change. We are going to do that for you."

Addressing media and political comment that backing the Internet Party was about fighting his extradition to the United States, Dotcom said that was happening in court, where he was "doing quite OK".

His crime, he said, was to "basically invent cloud storage" on the internet and make "50 million people happy every day".

"But 10 billionaires in Hollywood, they didn't like my technology . . . they saw it as a threat." They had used their power and money to bring about the 2012 raid on his Auckland property, with Prime Minister John Key knowing "exactly what was going on", Dotcom said.

"This party is my gratitude and my gift to those New Zealanders who stood by me, especially the young people who understand what Megaupload [his former internet company] was all about, and that I'm not a criminal."

He said the party was a time machine. "If you fuel it with your votes . . . we are going to take New Zealand forward 10 years, fast-track."

Dotcom promised free tertiary education to stop the country's young talent moving overseas to pay off student loans.

One of his biggest rounds of applause came when he described the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement as "a total piece of crap" and "a world domination agreement for US corporations". He pledged to stop it.

Earlier, in a brisk speech attacking the Government's welfare policies and performance, Beyer said she was "sharing the stage with titans" in a new political beginning.

Dotcom had impressed her when he spoke to the Mana Party conference, when he had been "straight-up and honest", she said.

Harre said Internet-Mana was "a political entrepreneurial exercise" breaking with old traditions and rules, not apologising to anyone "and liberating us to tell the truth about the real issues".

In linking with Mana, the Internet Party was committing to "a true partnership based on the Treaty of Waitangi and representing the best of a modern treaty relationship", Harre said.

The blame for New Zealand's employment ills lay with failure of successive governments to build a vision and make the transformational investment bring full employment, she said.

"We need to stop talking about knowledge waves. What we need in New Zealand is a knowledge tsunami, and the Internet-Mana Party is going to be the earthquake that creates that tsunami on September 20."

After 45 minutes of questions, Dotcom posed for selfies with the crowd that gathered around him.


No Gusto take on Nelson City Council 


Loss of car parks feared by store

Parking spots to make way for cycle path

Last updated 13:00 14/05/2013

Brook Street Store, Martin Meads
WORRIED: Brook Street Store owner Martin Meads with a petition opposed to the removal of the two car parks opposite his store, with Brook residents Helen Black and CarleenEves
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Brook Street Store owner Martin Meads has over the past 17 years watched the reduction of car parking outside his business and is fighting plans to remove even more.

The number of car parks across the road from his shop, often used by shoppers heading home who make up a large portion of his business, have in recent years been whittled down from seven spaces to four "double" car parks.

They could be reduced to two if the city council goes ahead with plans to improve cycling pathways in the area.

Mr Meads has organised a petition opposing the removal of the car parks, which has attracted 400 signatures in less than three weeks. Almost 300 were gained in the first five days of the petition, which was launched on April 23.

He said one woman's comment summed up the problem: "If you lose the car parks and there's nowhere to park, I won't stop."

The council notified residents of plans to improve cycling connections between Nile St and the start of Codgers Trail further up the Brook Valley.

The proposed changes include off-road shared paths in places on Tasman and Brook streets, an upgrade of Tasman St between Nile and Bronte streets, removal of the roundabout at Tasman and Manuka streets which would be replaced with a "staggered" T-intersection, and promotion of the one-way sections in Brook St and all of Westbrook Tce as "cycle-friendly roads".

Mr Meads and fellow Brook residents Carleen Eves and Helen Black do not feel enough residents were notified of the planned changes.

Ms Eves, who lives further up the Brook, is outside the area the council notified, but believes she and others who used the store regularly, ought to have been consulted.

She took it upon herself to alert others, and the council extended the original feedback deadline from May 10 to May 17.

"This store is a hub for the community, and is also an important mail-drop area," Ms Eves said.

Mr Meads, Ms Black and Ms Eves stressed that they are not anti-cycling, but just want a solution for all.

Ms Black, who grew up in cycle-friendly Sweden, said it worked there because of the space dedicated to proper cycleways as opposed to adding bits "here and there" afterwards.

Mr Meads said he had considered changing the business to include a cafe for an emerging market of recreational cycling, but cyclists seemed more interested in energy drinks and icecream than lattes and lunches.

"The council wants to improve cycle links and I'm not knocking them, but I don't think there's been enough consultation. It's almost like this is a fait accompli and the letter was sent to say 'we're just letting you know'."

Ms Black and Mr Meads also wanted safety issues tackled, having watched cyclists riding the wrong way along one-way streets, and sometimes riding two or three abreast in the high traffic zone.

The council said that a concept plan and details of the proposal were sent to more than 800 addresses in the Brook and surrounding area. Because they were only concept plans it was possible they could change, depending on feedback.

The council said it had consulted extensively with the Active Transport Advisory Group to develop the plans.

Council officers also met with several businesses and organisations in the area, including the Brook Street Store.

"Council has so far received some very positive feedback on the overall proposals, which are aimed at making it safer and easier for residents to cycle to work or school.

"There have also been several suggestions for minor alterations, which could be considered in the next stage of the project, the detailed design work," council spokeswoman Ali Hamblin said.Residents have organised a public meeting for Saturday, May 25, at the Brook St playground next to the shop, start


Young Socrates4 hours ago
Provide the right cafe environment and food/drink and you may just have a thriving business as a popular cyclists watering hole, it's worth a try.


Arniem8 hours ago
Another effort by the NCC to drive Business to Richmond.


New Zealand 100% Pure!


Tahunanui Beach closed

Last updated 10:21 17/01/2013


Swimming has been banned at Nelson’s popular Tahunanui Beach until Friday morning after sewage overflows following Tuesday’s heavy rain.

The Port Nelson Sea Swim event, scheduled to take place on Thursday evening, has also been cancelled due to sewage contamination in the Nelson Haven.

The Nelson Marlborough District Health Board Medical officer of Health has advised that there should be no swimming in the Nelson Haven until Friday.

The sewage discharge on Tuesday morning was significant and there is concern at the risk of contracting norovirus or other infections from the contaminated water.

Swimming off the Monaco boat ramp area has also been halted.

The Nelson City Council says sewage overflows occurred at pump stations at Beach Road and Saxton Road yesterday following heavy rainfall.

Nelson City Council’s manager roading and solid waste, Shane Davies, says the council is closing Tahunanui Beach and the Monaco Boat Ramp to swimmers to minimise health risks following advice from the Medical Officer of Health.

The council moves are a precautionary approach.

"Unfortunately, yesterday’s heavy rain overloaded the sewer system, which overflowed into the Waimea Inlet," Mr Davies says.

Emergency closure signage is being installed advising the public to avoid swimming in these areas. The bathing ban signage is expected to be removed around 8am on Friday.

Recreational activities such as walking or jogging along Tahunanui Beach, and using the boat ramp at Monaco are still permitted.

The council says shellfish should not be collected from these areas, or from the Nelson Harbour as a permanent ban is in place.

The Tasman District Council is also advising people not to swim in the local rivers or the sea for at least 48 hours following yesterday’s deluge.

It says the amount of rain received in the last 24 hours has the ability to wash disease-causing organisms off the land and stir them up out of stream beds and stormwater systems, and dump them into the popular swimming spots.

Generally, if you can’t see your toes in knee-deep water don’t swim, the council says



 Another Fuck up by Nelson Police


Loving dad's year of torment

Last updated 12:30 03/11/2012
TOGETHER AT LAST: A family hug at the McKee Domain, Ruby Bay, after almost a year spent battling charges that the father indecently assaulted one of his daughters at the domain.

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Fathers beware. Giving your child a kiss and cuddle in public could land you in court. Laura Basham reports.

Some 300 people are enjoying hot summer days at McKee Domain near Ruby Bay as a father is at the playground with his daughters.

It is a classic Kiwi setting, with happy campers, barbecues and children playing.

Then comes something out of place, a police constable asking questions. The idyllic illusion is shattered.

Strangers claim to have seen the man, in broad daylight, behaving inappropriately with a girl.

The campers report this to the reserve caretaker who informs the police.

The allegations include kissing, rubbing her bottom and allowing the 10-year-old to rub his thigh and chest.

The flabbergasted man says he didn't do anything wrong, the daughter named as his victim says he didn't, and his wife says he didn't.

They cannot be identified for legal reasons although they would be happy to be.

The father said even as the constable questioned him at the campground, one of the three daughters jumped up and kissed him, and poked her finger through a small hole in his shirt saying "tickle, tickle".

It was an example of the type of behaviour the campers must have seen, but there was nothing wrong with it, he said.

Police did not take any action then and the family laughed about the misunderstanding, until police came knocking on their door three months later, in March last year.

Since then the police have pursued the case. Even when two justices of the peace threw it out, the police went to the High Court to get the charges relaid.

Finally, partway through the District Court trial last month, Judge Michael Behrens agreed with a defence application that there was insufficient evidence to convict, and discharged the father.

While pleased to walk free from the court, the father is disturbed at what happened.

Particularly concerning was the police refusal to take statements from independent witnesses in his support, he said.

A Wellington family, which had never met the family until camping at the reserve, only became aware of the charges in August last year. The mother then wrote to Motueka police saying she saw the events at close range and could give an impartial account.

Another couple at the domain who knew the family said it was inconceivable that anything inappropriate could have happened. It was daylight, with a large number of people around the playground, and camp sites next to it. If anything inappropriate had happened they would have intervened, the man said.

Another woman, a nurse, who was there also said the accusations were nonsense.

Yet the police did not interview these witnesses.

Defence lawyer Brett Daniell-Smith considers it poor policing.

"In my view the big problem with this case is a complete lack of objectivity from the detective who has refused to interview witnesses; she could have and should have. Instead she adopted an intransigent view.

"Had those witnesses been interviewed at the appropriate time this would not have happened.

"It's just poor policing for a very serious charge with huge implications for the family.

"If you're going to arrest somebody, lock them up and not allow them to see their children you have to have a good case. I think it was gung-ho policing."

However, there will be no formal police review.

Tasman acting district commander Detective Inspector Geoff Jago sees no need, and said yesterday he was satisfied the case was handled correctly.

"From what I am aware of this particular investigation I am comfortable with it and the decision to prosecute," he said.

It has taken 20 months for the father to be able to walk free from court.

Mr Daniell-Smith said: "It has been an extremely costly exercise in emotion and money for no result at all. The only people to benefit out of it are the lawyers."

He believes the Crown should have exercised discretion. Because of concern about a lack of objectivity he asked the police for a senior detective to review the case.

Detective Sergeant Craig Johnston, of Nelson, who did the review, said in his report in July last year that he believed the father had been correctly charged.

Police had interviewed and obtained statements from six people independent of the man and his family, and the witnesses were all of seemingly good character and had given their statements in good faith.

However, at the trial last month, the Crown witnesses' accounts varied.

At the start of the trial the father faced two charges of doing an indecent act on the girl, a child under the age of 12, but because of difficulty for the jury to be able to identify what happened in each charge, the Crown amended the indictment to eight counts.

The witnesses' accounts ranged from describing the girl as 9, wearing a dress and tall so that when she kissed the man he did not need to bend down, to another who said she was 8 or 9 and wearing shorts, and another who said the man had to lean over to kiss her.

Judge Behrens decided to discharge the father based on the inadequacy of the evidence that pointed to the girl named in the charges.

The judge said: "There is a distinct danger in this case that the Crown witnesses were somewhat carried away, perhaps, by what someone believed they saw, and possibly there was an infection that ran through the people there.

"And I do say that, because it is possibly unfair that the accused leaves the court in a sense, some might say, with having got away with it simply because the Crown could not prove who the girl was. I just make the comment that I do not think that is the case, that I think generally there is some doubt anyway about the other evidence, but I underline the fact that I do not make my decision on that view. I make my decision based on the inadequacy of the evidence that points to [the girl] as being the - what would normally be called - the complainant."

The case was halted before the defence witnesses were called - and they would have included the girl and her mother.

The girl told the Nelson Mail her father had not done anything wrong.

The charges were based on events over two days, January 3 and 4 last year.

"I wasn't even there the second day, I went to my friend's place," she said. "When he was taken away I used to cry because I miss him. I love my Dad."

The mother is now separated from the man but said she totally supported him.

"I have known him for 26 years and he has never exhibited in any way or form that suggested behaviour."

She was distraught when he was arrested, and the upset children had missed their father during the eight months he was not allowed any contact.

"One of the children thought he was dead, and another was trying to get lemons to make lemonade to pay to get her father back from the police," she said. "I don't think I can ever trust the police again.

"It's made them [the children] want to be with him more than ever because they don't know what will happen next."

The father still only has supervised access to his daughters.

He said the allegation had been a nonsense. "It's unbelievable that gossip can have such power and these people did not investigate properly or stop to have a wee think."

The man, who has no previous convictions other than two traffic offences, says he doesn't want others to go through such a horrible experience. He believes there needs to be a more inquisitorial process initially, before police lay charges.

"It has such a big impact, not just on the accused but their families and everyone around them, and they need to take a balanced look."

He believes the adversarial system does not work in these types of cases.

"Once they lay charges the process goes into place and the steamroller does not stop, and there is nobody to take a balanced, logical view and for common sense."


January 3 and 4 2011: Family visit McKee Domain, Ruby Bay, along with 300 others. Other visitors allege inappropriate behaviour between father and daughter, report to caretaker who calls police. Constable arrives and father denies any wrongdoing.

March 24: Police arrive at family home with search warrant for shirt and dress. Father taken to Motueka police station, arrested for indecent assault on 10-year-old daughter.

March 25: Father appears in court, bailed with conditions not to contact family.

June 21: Father's lawyer Brett Daniell-Smith applies for an oral evidence order to hear evidence of witnesses.

July: Lawyer asks police to review decision to charge father. Detective Sergeant Craig Johnston responds that police have six credible accounts of indecent behaviour and he believes the father has been correctly charged.

August 29: Judge Ellis grants an oral evidential order for three defence witnesses, bail conditions relaxed but father not allowed home.

September 29: After eight months father gets 1 hours of supervised contact with two younger daughters.

November 25: Oral evidence called at committal hearing at Nelson District Court. JPs rule there is no case to answer and discharge father.

March 7 2012: Police apply to the High Court at Nelson to re-lay charges, arguing the JPs have exceeded their function.

April 16: Application heard, Justice Miller agrees that the JPs were wrong and trial date set for October.

July 11: Judge Bruce Davidson declines application from father's lawyer for a discharge, saying it is up to a jury to decide.

October: Jury trial, Crown re-lays charge with eight counts of indecent assault. After the father has given evidence, the father's lawyer applies for him to be discharged saying there is insufficient evidence, and the identity of the complainant in each charge is uncertain. The trial is halted and none of the defence witnesses called. Judge Behrens discharges the father.


Rates has gone up from $3,000 to almost $12,000

 10/9/2012 - Update Tasman district mayor Richard Kempthorne will meet Headingly Lane residents to try to resolve a rating conflict 

Fair Go: Wednesday September 5

Published: 7:04PM Wednesday September 05, 2012 Source: Fair Go

Rates rage
Reporter: Phil Vine Headingly, on the outskirts of Nelson, isn't a place that normally sees much conflict. It's a rural community with green pastures and sea views. But that lifestyle is being threatened by a Council move to rezone the area from rural, to mixed business. Residents say they had no warning that their rates would at least double. Eve is 84 - her new rates take up a quarter of her pension. Max's rates has gone up from $3,000 to almost $12,000. Serena, who's trying to give kids the idyllic rural upbringing she had, now feels that's under threat.

They say their rates are skyrocketing - but nothing has changed. The only addition is a new sewer pipe running through Headingly Lane - which is too expensive for them to connect to anyway. They're still on septic tanks. They say the Council has stonewalled their attempts to find out about the rates hike. The Mayor says that's not true, but he can't provide any evidence that it was communicated. Residents have asked for a ratings remission or postponement. Council rejected them both. But the Mayor's now considering options. He also says he has an anonymous developer interested in the land. Residents say they feel like they're being moved on.


Has your rates gone up? Mine has - 40% over the last 5 years.

Has your wages gone up?


A Public protest on 24-5-2012 at10.30am- demand Mayor (Mussolini) to go.....'Quit' call after Maori ward poll

Maori ward voted down by public

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The Maori ward poll result has fuelled calls from council opponents for the resignation of Mayor Aldo Miccio.

But Mr Miccio is adamant that he and his council are doing their best, and that the "constant complainers and whingers" who are calling for him to step down need to find something else to do.

An email from a group headed by council opponent Jim Cable began circulating around Nelson soon after the result, saying that if the mayor "does not see fit to tender his resignation from office" a public protest would be held outside the city council offices in Trafalgar St this Thursday at 10.30am to demand it.

Mr Cable said today it was not an attempt at any political grandstanding as he had no ambition to stand for council again. He said the email was circulated via council watchdog group the Nelson Residents Association.

Aspects of their protest he would not elaborate on were being lodged with the Auditor General's Office.

"Our disappointment isn't so much with the Maori ward and the process which was just so unnecessary, but it's the way in which the council is being run.

Mr Miccio said the argument being used against him included results of decisions, including the two High Court losses, made by the previous council and the fallout had been inherited by this council.

He had faith in the ability of the council, and pointed to comments made by councillor Mike Ward on several occasions that it was the best council he had been part of.

Maori ward vote 'setback'

Nelson voters' resounding rejection of a Maori ward is a significant setback to Maori representation on the city council, says Wakatu Incorporation chief executive Keith Palmer.

More than 79 per cent of voters were against the introduction of a Maori ward in Nelson in a progress result from the poll that closed on Saturday.

"It's a great pity that people can't see the wider benefits of it," Mr Palmer said.

"I would've hoped people would've matured and seen the wider picture of what Maori could bring in terms of a different perspective on culture, how we approach ownership and sharing."

He said the result was partly due to a lack of appreciation for the structure that allowed it to happen, and the ways it would have improved society.

"You can say it's almost a fear thing. We're apprehensive, we don't know what this means."

Mr Palmer said the presentation of the proposal to create a Maori ward was possibly also at fault, with the positive aspect under-emphasised, he said.

The idea that Maori would be able to gain a seat at the council table through conventional means was unrealistic, he said.

"The system's stacked against them. We had hoped that this [proposal] would un-stack the system. That's a forlorn wish."

Tai Tonga MP Rino Tirikatene was disappointed but not surprised at the result. He said the 43 per cent voter turnout showed the "apathetic nature" of the electorate and he was surprised the "yes" vote was so high given the small percentage of Maori.

Nelson man Kevin Gardener, who organised the petition that triggered the poll for the Maori ward, said he felt "vindicated" at its result.

"I'm not pleased about it because it never should have eventuated."

He said the result of the poll proved that the council should get on with its core tasks rather than "social-engineering".

"We have had some damn good councillors of Maori heritage prior to this who have not needed help to get on and I hope that will happen again," Mr Gardener said.

Gary #23 6:58pm

 This is all tearing the City apart. Its creating division and bad feelings. There are much bigger problems coming that we need to prepare for now. It sounds like the Govt is going to clip all Councils wings but that does not address the lack of financial management experience. The Mayor and this Council will be remembered for what they got wrong - not what they got right. It should not be a surprise as Nelson has got what it voted for.

lordofnelson #22 6:45pm

 Poor old Jim. You really haven't got the hang of the internet have you. You don't have to sign your name to everything - a bit modern a concept for you maybe?

Being called a coward by the playground bully of the letters page is really a badge of honour. I shall enjoy it in anonymity.

 Jim Cable #21 5:58pm 

Sarah Fahey #16 would appear to have much to learn about elemental manners and, in particular, the requirements of debate.

I've stood for council - I really don't intend doing it again.

However, unlike some real cowards among my critics, Sarah did at least comment under her own name - and while the exact cause of her problem with me isn't made clear - in the absence of intelligent argument, I must assume she's a friend of Kate Fulton.

WTH? #20 5:51pm

 A lot of these comments prove just how fearful and ignorant mainstream Nelson is to anything that challenges their way of thinking. When you see people speaking of 'Maoris' or 'you Maori' as Really up there did, (no s in the Maori language) shows the blatant ignorance that person has towards Maori and the culture. The most educated fair and just 'Maori' could be up for election but regardless of their qualifications mainstream Nelson would still NOT vote for him because they are fearful of what that might bring, again blatant fear and ignorance. 'We' vote for who looks like us, who we feel we can trust and for mainstream Nelson, it's not someone with a brown skin and if it is, it's because they don't view that person as a threat or a 'real' Maori....think about it.

 lordofnelson #19 05:39 pm May 21 2012

 Sarah Fahey #16 - Jim Cable did stand for council last time, but was 'unfortunately' one of the lowest polling candidates.

He claims that this was his intention. Believe that?

 Really #18 05:16 pm May 21 2012

 Sharing a Culture and forcing one on people instead is just plain wrong and can only increase the gap into a chasm---The truth for me is I am not interested in how anyone was 150 years ago in America ,Europe or here-----The World wants in to American,English culture and the Maoris seem to want everyone to invest in their let's face facts 'Miniscule Culture' by any standard.

Ego massage for one group is what I think it is----Everyone is my brother or sister,I myself will not be separated into tribes and races as that only benefits the ruling classes---When you Maori as you prefer to be called stop this backdoor racism then perhaps we can still be one people.

 Justice #17 05:05 pm May 21 2012

 MoveForward #5 3:03pm,

It's called "citizenship". No one gets it based on colour, creed or culture.

 Sarah Fahey #16 05:01 pm May 21 2012

 @Jim Cable #8 Why don't you just stand for council next time round. Until then - shut the #$@%! up.

 Justice #15 05:00 pm May 21 2012

 "But Mr Miccio is adamant that he and his council are doing their best, and that the "constant complainers and whingers" who are calling for him to step down need to find something else to do."

No Aldo, it's YOU who will be finding something else to do! You're gonna get a public backlash and a long overdue one smart guy.

"comments made by councillor Mike Ward on several occasions that it was the best council he had been part of." Is this the same Mike Ward who thinks cycling and few bits of jewellery warrants him even being on council?

Palmer said "I would've hoped people would've matured and seen the wider picture of what Maori could bring in terms of a different perspective on culture, how we approach ownership and sharing."

The 'wider and more mature' view Mr Palmer actually encompasses "unity", not divisions or separation based on some dubious 'this is our land' claim.

If you lot Keith are so much smarter and more mature at Wakatu Incorporation (isn't a a Corporation a pakeha concept? who's stealing IP now?) are so smart then why take the $400 milllion dollar NZ taxpayer "handout" you've been offered? Turn it down and stand on your own feet for once!

 Tui #14 04:46 pm May 21 2012

 The idea that Maori would be able to gain a seat at the council table through conventional means was unrealistic, he said.

"The system's stacked against them. We had hoped that this [proposal] would un-stack the system. That's a forlorn wish."

I beg your pardon? How is it stacked against us? All Maori have the right to put their names forward for election onto local Councils and for selection as a Party rep for a General Election. I could understand your position if it was required that a Maori candidate for Council, Government, Maori Seat, or Maori Party had to be a fullblood or halfblood Maori. You're pontificating, whinging, and trying to justify yourself. I list myself as a New Zealander and intend to bring my children up to do the same.


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MARLBOROUGH SOUNDS Increased danger from sharks 'unlikely' from Salmon farming

 Last updated 16:00 07/09/2012

Sharks had never attacked anyone near a salmon farm but that did not mean it would not happen, Department of Conservation official Clinton Duffy said in Blenheim yesterday.
Sharks congregated around salmon farms, Mr Duffy told the Environmental Protection Authority board of inquiry considering an application by New Zealand King Salmon to develop nine new farms in the Sounds.
However, it was unlikely the number of sharks in the Sounds would increase if more farms were built.
Sustain Our Sounds chairman Danny Boulton, who runs a dive business in Pelorus Sound, yesterday asked whether more salmon farms would make diving more dangerous.
His organisation opposes King Salmon's application to expand in areas prohibited under the Sounds management plan.Mr Duffy said at least 14 species of sharks came into the Sounds including potentially dangerous bronzewhalers, which gathered around farms.The people at most risk of attack were company divers removing dead fish, which sharks would like to eat, he said.He would not be keen to dive around a salmon farm for reasons including that they were not attractive, Mr Duffy said."I can't imagine why anyone would want to dive around a salmon farm unless they wanted to see a shark," he said.
Mr Boulton asked whether sharks around salmon farms could attack his diving customers including school-children.Mr Duffy said people should treat any shark over 1.8 metres as dangerous.He would not advise swimming or diving near sharks but the risk of being attacked was overstated.The people most at risk were spear-fishers holding bleeding or struggling fish, he said.Roughly two people were bitten by sharks a year in New Zealand, usually in the surf zone.Hearings commissioner Mark Farnsworth said the word shark attracted emotions, mostly negative. Was the risk more to sharks than humans, he asked.
"There is very little evidence of adverse effects [of fish farms] on sharks but there is no research on it," Mr Duffy said. 
   Interesting Facts:   (Photo taken by Traitor)

1/Shark eyes are equipped with a tapetum lucidum, a layer of mirrored crystals located behind the retina. This provides a means for light that initially escaped detection to be detected as it is passed through the retina a second time. This process defocuses light, reducing acuity but increasing sensitivity. That is, at least you can see, but you don't see as clearly as you would if more light were available and you didn't have to use a tapetum.

2/Shark bites occur more frequently in murky water. They are attracted by lights, noise, or splashing, and smell. For theses reasons surface swimming should be kept to a minimum, in shark waters. Research shows that bright colors attract sharks more than dark objects, so it is better for divers to wear dark colors. Blood in the water can attract sharks from long distances. They can sense blood in the water in concentrations as little as 4 parts per million. Bleeding into the water by a diver or swimmer may not go unnoticed. Women who are menstruating are recommended to wear tampons

3/It must be noted not all shark attacks are reported. Many resort eg. areas are sometimes made to keep shark attacks quiet.

4/ Shows that the majority of shark attacks on divers are not fatal. This does not mean that divers should be less careful in the water, but it does support the idea that sharks are not hunting humans for food. Fatal attacks are usually the result of significant blood loss and stress. One theory suggests that sharks will bite their prey to make sure it is edible before eating it. Once this 'prey' item is identified as an unnatural source of food, the shark will swim away to find more suitable food elsewhere.

Due to overfishing in New Zealand waters - the Sounds will most definitely attract more Sharks with the increasing number of Salmon farms.

 Due to the Sounds having murky water the risk of shark attack does increase. 

 Shark attack


 Further notes on farming in the Sounds

 I have been told that Mussel farming can cause a temporarily reduction in Cod and other fish species due to  open feeding (fish eggs). This may be the same with Salmon farms.

 On that note local fishing will pay the price.


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 Barker on Maori ward row: I told you

 updated 12:30 22/11/2011

Nelson city councillor Ian Barker wants the council to reverse its decision to set up a Maori ward.

Cr Barker, who heads the council's governance portfolio, returned from overseas on Sunday night to what he called a "real disappointment" at the council's conduct.

He was alarmed at what had transpired since he left the country on the day the decision was made at the November 3 meeting to establish a ward, despite his suggestion to councillors the day before to hold off making a decision.

"I now believe the proper thing to do would be to rescind the decision, which would negate the need for a poll, which could save the community a lot of money."

Cr Barker said he would be checking the rules, but he believed the council could revoke any decision it makes. If he gathered enough support from colleagues he planned to move a notice of motion at a forthcoming council meeting.

The council's decision to set up a Maori ward, against a tight deadline, has prompted an angry public response over the lack of consultation and a petition calling for the council to hold a poll on the subject.

Council staff said at the time there was no legal requirement to consult, but several councillors expressed concern at the likely public reaction and asked for the decision to be delayed.

Cr Barker said he had been aware for some time of "strong moves to introduce undemocratic separate Maori representation" into the council and he had constantly advised his colleagues not to make any such moves.

Council chief executive Keith Marshall explained at the November 3 meeting the council's reasons for wanting a Maori ward were based on its submission to the Local Government Commission on the proposed union of the Nelson and Tasman councils.

Cr Rachel Reese said later that a submission to the commission on amalgamation for a completely different model should not have been taken as a proxy for the council's collective view on a Maori ward decision in Nelson city.

Cr Barker was disappointed and concerned that the council voted to set up a Maori ward in his absence. He has been part of an Australasian tour of Japan, organised by the Council of Local Authorities for International Relations.

"As the portfolio holder I was only informed of the matter being on the agenda a few days before the meeting and as the report was withheld from the original agenda I only learnt of the content a few days prior to the meeting, which everyone knew I was unable to attend," Cr Barker said.

He told councillors and the mayor the day before at an informal meeting that it would be a "huge mistake" to make such a decision based on a late report and on a recommendation that had not been consulted upon.

"My unheeded warnings of the likely outcomes have, it seems, been exactly as I predicted. There has obviously been a major backlash from the community."

Cr Barker said his view that council standing orders provided for portfolio holders and chairmen and women to be involved in the agenda process before meetings had been backed by an independent legal opinion.

He felt many of the recent high-profile issues the council had battled could have been avoided if the political will and leadership of the elected members had been more effective.


  • Click click here to view a transcript of the discussion by councillors and staff on the Maori ward decision at the November 3 council meeting.



Nikki Romney   #9   9:11pm


Hiya Jim.

1. I have to disagree with you on this one. Considering the unfolding events and the considered withdrawl of the resolution for a Maori Ward, and the poll not then being necessary, spending further ratepayer funds on this matter could prove wasteful. That money has been hard earned by the public and would be better used for the good of the community. Deciding to go ahead when it's likely not necessary is spendthrift at this time.

2. I strongly agree with Barker that this resolution for a maori ward should be rescinded. The process of obtaining this vote was CORRUPT.

3. The current display of public adversity to a Maori Ward around New Zealand, could gather momentum, then eventually turn around the current legislative 'encouragement' of maori wards. In several years time there may be no maori wards..... who knows.....



sme   #8   08:27 pm Nov 22 2011


RACISM inaction.


nina   #7   07:50 pm Nov 22 2011


justice #6 Settle down - plenty of us pakeha are in the maori party - just as there are maori in some of the pakeha parties. Medication time?


justice   #6   06:50 pm Nov 22 2011


News flash Rangi!, local body politics is entirely separate from National. Your confidence in supply backroom deal has no relevance and is about to come to an end. Ironic so many Maori see the 'maori party' as a bunch of sellouts! Imagine the hoopla if someone started a Pakeha Party? Rangi would be the first one out there claiming "racism". At least Hone has the guts to include people like John Minto and Sue Bfradford, not that I have much time for either of them. Race based communism is not top of my agenda.


adam   #5   06:07 pm Nov 22 2011


Seems like some of Nelson does not like democracy. 11-0 and still whinging.


Tui   #4   05:04 pm Nov 22 2011


Barker for mayor! He seems to be the only thinking person out of all of the members of Council.


Rangi   #3   03:04 pm Nov 22 2011


To quote Davd Dobbyn, "Things done in earnest, never get to stand". It's interesting to note that the lateness came from seeking Legal advice on the Local Govt Commission submission...pfft "Legal Advice" when you already had the Waikato example as precedence. I do feel for the councillors in that they now have the responsibility to explain to the citizenry why they unanimously voted for the Maori Ward 11-0 when there appears to be widespread public dissent. Its also ironic that Cr Barker describes the Ward as "undemocratic" when the council supports it 11-0. Newsflash Mr Barker, when governance is guaranteed at a national level, as agreed by the Govt of the day & The Maori Party as part of confidence in supply arrangements, local body politics takes a back seat, where it belongs.


Jim Cable   #2   02:49 pm Nov 22 2011


Normally, I'd agree with Cr Barker that if it was possible to revisit and rescind a council decision, it might put the issue to rest and save council the cost of a poll. However, in this case there are points for consideration which render a poll of Nelson citizens advisable - if not essential.

1. Despite warnings against the probable outcome and backlash, the mayor and chief executive appear to have been complicit in attempt to subvert council process.

2, Councillors were given no time for meaningful consideration of the proposal which was covered in a separate order paper, issued to them only minutes before the council meeting commenced. Cr Barker, who already had - and would have again - denounced it, was necessarily absent.

3. Despite the proposal's high constitutional significance, nothing whatsoever was done to advise or consult the public. Nor was any sort of preparatory advice circulated to Nelson's citizens - with one notable exception: iwi must have known about the issue to have attended in such numbers.

4. The reason for the rush as advised to councillors was spurious - councillors were misled. Yet despite reported comments of councillors' disquiet, the mayor even claimed the "vote" had been unanimous.

5. The concept of Maori council seats has yet to be adopted anywhere in NZ, and the reasons advanced to date for the establishing of a Nelson seat appear frivolous. There's no relevant connection between Nelson having a Maori seat and the unlikely event of its amalgamation with Tasman.

For those reasons, I believe that the issue of whether or not we have a Maori seat on Nelson City Council should be settled now once and for all by all of Nelson's citizens - not by any elected council.


justice   #1   12:38 pm Nov 22 2011


Councillor Reese, simple question. If you had misgivings about this decision then why did you not abstained along with Mr Barker?

I put it too you that the community backlash has made you chase your own tail on this issue?


Maori ward 'the right thing to do'

Last updated 13:00 09/11/2011

City councillors have their say on a Maori ward in Nelson:

Aldo Miccio: Ongoing legislative, Local Government Act and Resource Management Act changes mean the council will have to give consideration to Maori views in all it does. There will be benefits to the Nelson community from Maori wanting to invest $400 million in the top of the South Island through the Treaty of Waitangi settlement process, and from giving cultural redress in terms of a Maori voice under treaty obligations. It's simply the right thing to do.

Eric Davy: This was the only way to get this into the community for their involvement due to the short notice we got. This will allow for a poll of electors to make the final decision on what the community wants.

Paul Matheson: This city and iwi have waited a long time and worked hard to embrace this partnership and to have this resolution rushed through with such short notice and without consultation to the wider electorate is disgraceful. This is a major democratic move and deserves community engagement at all levels and with all sectors to ensure its acceptance is a rewarding experience for all concerned.

Mike Ward: To date Maori have been grossly under-represented. A Maori ward provides a support structure for the Maori councillor and the certainty of representation. While changing to STV (single transferable vote system of election) would have dramatically improved the likelihood of Maori representation we failed to achieve that at the last attempt.

Ruth Copeland: I voted "yes" to the decision to include a Maori ward in Nelson because we face some very real challenges in regards to the wellbeing of our peoples and our natural environment. It's time for some new thinking. Without Maori input our leadership will be incomplete. We need to walk forward together.

Gail Collingwood: I voted for the resolution as presented because of the time frame constrictions under the Electoral Act. Voting at short notice will allow for the ward to be introduced in 2013 rather than five years away. Over the last decade Nelson has provided proactive leadership in New Zealand in regard to involving Maori in decision making as required by Local Government Act. The Maori ward councillor will be in addition to everything we currently do and is the next step providing a "voice for Maori" in the actual decision-making process.

Pete Rainey: Either you accept New Zealand is a bicultural society, or you don't. I do. As far as the council is concerned, we have a good relationship with local iwi. However, the voice of iwi is not heard around the council table in a sustained manner. The creation of a Maori ward will allow that to happen, at a time when iwi are poised to become even stronger participants in local affairs. I think this is an inclusive, bold and timely governance decision. There is nothing to fear, this will strengthen council.

Kate Fulton:Treaty settlement negotiations embedded in the Local Government Act already oblige us to work in partnership with iwi, but for me this is about more than just obligation. Within the system of governance that we currently have, the establishment of a Maori ward is the closest we can get to indicating there is a strong desire to form a genuine equal partnership and that Maori values are of cultural significance to our entire community.

Rachel Reese: I voted for the resolution in the report because of the time constraints in the Electoral Act. I do not support the idea that promoting a seat at the council table can be seen as leveraging additional Treaty settlement money into the city. That is a misguided view in my opinion and disrespectful to the integrity of iwi, the independence of local government, and counter to the conflict of interest provisions that apply to all elected members.

Creating a Maori seat at the council table is one way that we can recognise the special status of the Treaty of Waitangi in our society. Introducing a Maori seat may also encourage more Maori to vote and participate in local democracy.

Jeff Rackley: Agrees with the mayor.

Ali Boswijk: The timeframe imposed on us meant that if this did not proceed now it would be another two to three years until it would be considered again and then five before a ward could come into being. We have a legal obligation to engage with Maori as part of our decision-making and we could just do the minimum. However, Nelson has made great strides in recent years to do more than just the minimum. To make provision for one voice out of 13 to represent a Maori perspective is, for me, the right thing to do. The wider perspective we can have on issues the better we will deal with them.

Derek Shaw: I supported the Maori ward proposal because it is another step forward in council's evolving relationship with local iwi/Maori. I believe local iwi/Maori are now in a position to increase their contribution and should be given the opportunity to have an input into decisions at the council table. I regard the decision as a logical extension of the views in council's decision to the Local Government Commission on the proposal for the union of Nelson City and Tasman District that supported the establishment of a Maori ward for the new council if the union proceeds.

Councillor Ian Barker is overseas and did not attend last week's meeting


Nikki   #79   12:36 pm Nov 15 2011


We are 'all' New Zealanders Stephanie, one people, with different upbringings, heritage, cultures, beliefs... but we all value and want similar things in life - in that we are all united. Integration of maori and pakeha has been a work in progress for over 150 years. We've come a long way, but we're still not there. Why? We can lay blame on the other, it's a matter of perspective, but really it doesn't get us anywhere, I'm equally guilty in that. But I keep trying to learn... and look at the bigger picture. We can't get caught up in 'complications', there have to be basic rules to live by, for all of us, governance & laws that work toward the unity of all New Zealanders. The one issue- that Maori should be allocated seats by right in Governance, we have all been fed untruths pertaining to this over the years, and we should be looking to gain knowledge and understanding of what is actually right and true. Research. Ask questions. Find out for yourself. This is personal opinion, but I believe the best way forward is 'together' with all being treated equal, and that means equal rights - one rule for all. That doesn't mean we do away with peoples heritage,culture & beliefs.


Stephanie   #78   11:28 am Nov 15 2011


If Maori have it so good, would you trade places? No, didn't thing so.

Maori seats in parliament was brought about by a racist law. At the time they were introduced Maori were majority and pakeha feared they would not be voted into parliament. So they gave Maori a separate roll and allocated seats, of coarse making sure they had the bigger share. Maori were simply getting on with the raw deal they were dealt. Now Maori can be the king makers, people want to axe Maori seats.

Furthermore the Maori party isn't exclusive for Maori people. Just a group of people who share the same views and values associated with Maori. You forget Maori are also part other European cultures. Therefore It is not a race based party.

Im of Scottish, English & Maori decent. Just because I defend my Maori side, does not mean I deny my English side. People love to point out there are no "full blooded Maori" left in this country but when it suits them they also lump Maori together when trying to make a racist point.

Maori DO NOT have special rights. If a Maori sells drugs, off to jail with them, same as any Pakeha. Although some would argue that's not the case. Benefits are give to Maori and Pakeha. Services are given to all New Zealanders. End of.

A note to you Nikki. Integration works both ways!


Nikki Romney   #77   11:29 am Nov 14 2011


Lets look at the word 'INTEGRATE' - to make or be made into a whole. To amalgamate - to unite. Then let's consider also;

Giving seats to maori by 'right' in local Council when all others have to stand to be elected. A separate maori party - for maori only. 8 reserved sets in Government for maori only. Advantage & extra benefits/services given to maori in New Zealand's social services. Hone Harawira and his supporters actively working towards separation in new Zealand, in particular against us white mother f*****s.

Then let's consider non-maori saying 'How can we progress as a nation if one group is treated differently & operates under a separate set of laws? We want one rule for all, working towards 'unity'"

... and remember, local Iwi already have excellent representation in local councils. Maori have one of the loudest voices in Government in asking for special benefits for Maori, over and above others.

'Who' is finding it hard to integrate?


tony   #76   07:33 am Nov 14 2011


James Gollan #74 "Racial Integration is an important aspect of this once great nation"

Very true. But some pakeha seem to find it so hard to integrate.


Stephanie   #75   06:41 pm Nov 13 2011


When all else fails resort to empty threats.. Typical of a sore looser.


James Gollan   #74   09:48 am Nov 13 2011


This is a patronising decision, I suppose we should have a ward for mori oris, European settlers, Asian Settlers, perhaps one for Indian settlers. This is the type of decision that shows that maori can not look after themselves by accessing the resources that are available to every New Zealander.It is derisive and as such is designed to put the interests of one ethnic group as being paramount over the others. This decision should be tested in the Courts.Racial Integration is an important aspect of this once great nation and it is a shame to read comments from Councillors who are proud to have voted for the imposition of a form of Apartheid in this Country. Voters in Nelson should take note to make sure these Councillors are not re elected


clint   #73   11:32 pm Nov 11 2011


Was it Albert Einstein who said "Anger dwells only in the bosom of fools" and Abraham Lincoln who said "I have always found that mercy bears richer fruits than strict justice."


justice   #72   10:40 pm Nov 11 2011


Council. A warning too you. I will take this issue to the highest court in the land if you proceed and you know what? I have plenty of backing. The time of sitting back and watching "our" country, MY country descend into some self righteous form of Apartheid is over. The pandering to racists is over. I will force you in court to prove Maori have less representation than others by any other means than their own lack of interest in putting forward candidates to be elected. I will bring about a national debate on why Pakeha descendants and other NZ non maori are classed as "second class citizens" with lesser rights to the destiny of this country. Let the fight begin.


jake the snake   #71   09:39 pm Nov 11 2011


John #68 That's right John. We love maori who think and act like pakeha! Some of them even get to be honorary white folk. The others continue to be a bit of a problem though.


Nikki   #70   09:29 pm Nov 11 2011


Reply to Sarah P

big grin. That's ok Sarah, I like to live dangerously. x


Maori bodies major step forward - Wakatu boss

Last updated 13:00 11/08/2011

Nelson city supports setting up a Maori ward and a Maori community board if one local authority is formed in the region.

It is one item on a bigger list that the Nelson City Council wants to see under an amalgamation of the two councils.

The council's policy, planning and governance committee was set to approve the council's draft submission to the Local Government Commission at a meeting today.

The commission has proposed a single council for Nelson city and Tasman district with a mayor and 16 councillors, a second layer of five community boards, and its headquarters at Richmond. It proposes calling the new council the Nelson Tasman District Council.

The Tasman District Council was today finalising its submission opposing the commission's draft reorganisation proposal. Public submissions to the commission close next Friday.

The Nelson council supports the commission's proposal on the union of the Nelson and Tasman councils but thinks there is room for improvement for better local government here, including strengthening the proposed community board responsibilities, and providing for Maori representation across the region.

The council said in its submission that a Maori community board would "provide an appropriate mechanism" for the council to set up and maintain processes for Maori to have input into council decisions. A Maori community board would also serve the interests of Maori and the council well in the pending post-treaty settlement environment, the submission said.

The move has been welcomed by the head of one of the largest ratepayers in the region.

Wakatu Incorporation chief executive Keith Palmer said Maori had been "asking for a voice at the top table" for some time, but the creation of a Maori ward would be a major step forward.

The most recent census figures show that 8.7 per cent of the people in Nelson city and 7.1 per cent of the people in Tasman district belong to the Maori ethnic group.

Nelson-based Wakatu Incorporation, which owns a significant amount of land in Nelson and Tasman, is described as a "family business of the land and sea", whose more than 3500 shareholders descend from the rangatira and families of four iwi: Ngati Koata, Ngati Rarua, Te Atiawa and Ngati Tama.

Mr Palmer told commissioners at a hearing late last year on the proposed union that Wakatu was a "significant contributor" to the two local authorities. In that year it had made rates payments and contributions of more than $500,000.

He said a "false line" dividing Nelson and Tasman at Champion Rd did nothing to achieve optimum running of the province.

Mr Palmer described engagement with Nelson city as "constructive", but with Tasman it was "breaking the defensive down". Wakatu had a memorandum of understanding with Nelson but not with Tasman, where it owned a lot more land.

At last year's council elections, three Maori stood unsuccessfully for election in Nelson city, but none in Tasman.

"Traditionally, Maori have not engaged well with local government. Consequently, there is significant history to overcome before demonstrable forward progress will become evident," Mr Palmer said.

He said yesterday Maori intentions were not intended to ignite a political backlash, but were a step towards putting in place what the law allowed.

The Local Government Act allowed Maori a seat on councils, but neither Nelson nor Tasman had done that, though Nelson had at least appointed a Maori liaison officer.

Mr Palmer said a lack of support and negativity towards Maori wishes were grounded in people's lack of understanding over what could be gained from them having a voice in local government.

"There's ignorance, but that's understandable, because people are busy."

An important part of the role would be imparting a greater understanding to the wider community of the value of Maori input, Mr Palmer said.

A portion of the $300 million heading to Te Tau Ihu (top of the south) in iwi settlements will filter into Nelson city and the wider region through investment planned by local iwi

AY   #20   12:37 pm Sep 19 2011


I am discusted at the amount of people who believe that by including Maori in the decision making body of the council is a step toward creating a partied?! Are we not a bi-cultural nation as exhibited by the partnership in the Treaty of Waitangi? Governance should be shared amongst both parties who are involved in the treaty agreement and working together is essential for the equality and race realtions of the nation. The majority of people seem to have no understanding of the dark history of New Zealand during the early European contact period where Maori were decemated. The Imperial colinial forces imposed a western system on Maori, that propogated a long history of negative impacts both social and economic detremental to the survival and wellbeing of Maori that Maori continue to experience to this day. This position is vital for Maori ability to exercise their rights, values and beliefs in their own country.


Puzzle79   #19   05:35 pm Aug 12 2011


This racist descrimination is not democracy. The fact that the three candidates were not elected last year was because the "voting at large" system used in Nelson weighs the scales so heavily in favour of sitting members. Good candidates like Jason Wawatai have been elected in the past and that is the only acceptable way for maori, asian, pakeha etc representation to meet at the council table.


bdub   #18   01:33 pm Aug 12 2011


When are these political establishments going to understand that New Zealanders are not going to stand for an errosion of their democratic rights/voice. The political rights and freedoms everyone now enjoys have been fought and died for over hundreds of years because lets face it, we did inherit our political systems from Britian. And now they want everyone to just give it all up and for everyone to roll over and have a political elite making everyone elses vote worthless. Everyone has the same democratic rights and voice as everyone else. Changing that is creating simple discrimination.


jman   #17   01:00 pm Aug 12 2011


I was going to vote for the amalgamation but I have suddenly changed my mind


Adrian   #16   12:51 pm Aug 12 2011


Just what we need more publicly funded ethnic elite clubs....


Vivien   #15   12:33 pm Aug 12 2011


Mr Palmer, if you want a voice for Wakatu, stand up for election to Council. We do not need a separate 'Maori' voice or body - that is apartheid! No wonder Tasman people are moving across 'the ditch' in record numbers - first amalgamation is thrust at them, and now this! Boy, NCC are really showing how brainy they all are!


Phyllis   #14   12:28 pm Aug 12 2011


We do not need separate Maori/Pakeha bodies in New Zealand unless we have full-blooded Maori. The full-blooded tribes in Africa do not allow, as members of their tribe, any child with one parent from a different tribe - let alone a white/African combination! The word they use to describe such a child is worse than "mongrel" or "half-cast"! If the UN knew that the New Zealand Maori were not full, or half, blooded then they would not give them any support. What we want, and need, are people who are proud to be called 'New Zealander' and practise any ethnic differences in the privacy of their homes without forcing things on their neighbours.


Sue   #13   11:43 am Aug 12 2011


Surely there are other ways to try to create a more integrated community. This would be another divisive decision that would not make much difference to the position of Maori in the Nelson region. Maori, like everyone else need to feel they have a community voice that is listened to. Being part of the wider community is the best way to be heard - strength in numbers not isolation.


st   #12   10:58 am Aug 12 2011


I am disgusted - but then I was disgusted by special position created already in NCC for 'Maori Liason' officer (which was advertised in Te Reo only) 2 years ago. On and on this apartheid grows. Very pleased I now live in Oz. By the way, amalgamation in Sunshine Coast is being undone 'cos the savings never happened and rates went massively up, not down. Google it.


Steve   #11   10:10 am Aug 12 2011


Quote from the United Nations : The UN does not define "racism", however it does define "racial discrimination": According to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.


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The Nelson City Council has become the third council in New Zealand and the first in the South Island to establish a Maori ward for the 2013 council elections, in the event amalgamation does not go ahead.

The move reflects the council's preference for a Maori ward under a combined Nelson-Tasman council, as outlined in its submission to the Local Government Commission.

Councillors were unanimous in their decision today, despite concern about the "surprise element" of the recommendation, filed as a late notice to today's policy, planning and governance meeting.

There was concern that a decision today would be perceived as the council not taking the community with them, but council staff confirmed there was no legal requirement to consult on the matter.

Nelson Mayor Aldo Miccio says the move is historic and bold. "Council believes this is right for the future of our city. It will create the best possible representation for treaty settlement implications."

A Maori ward will give iwi a guaranteed voice at the council table, which was important for cultural reasons as well as pending business decisions, city council kaihautu (leader for iwi affairs) Geoff Mullen said.


  • Full report in tomorrow's Nelson Mail. 



 Last updated 13:00 20/01/2012

Dementia sufferer's accounts raided as

fraudster fleeces new victim

Brenda Schwass-Arnold
DID IT AGIN: Brenda Schwass-Arnold appears in the Nelson District Court where she pleaded guilty to charges of using a bank card for pecuniary advantage.

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A scheming woman who fleeced her grandmother's estate of thousands of dollars and was jailed, has done the same thing to her partner's mother.

She managed her second deception by changing her name.

In the Nelson District Court yesterday, Brenda Schwass-Arnold, 45, was remanded in custody to be sentenced on February 27 to another jail term.

She was known as Brenda Overton when on Elder Abuse Awareness Day in June 2007, she was jailed for 18 months for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from her sick grandmother.

Yesterday she was convicted on 203 charges of using a Motueka woman's bank card to clean out her accounts, taking a total of $28,452. A further 100 charges were withdrawn by police after Schwass-Arnold entered guilty pleas yesterday.

The victim's son, Neill Cherry, said he was devastated that he had introduced Schwass-Arnold to his mother, Joyce Cherry, who is now 72.

He knew her as Brenz Arnold-Schwass. "In those 4 1/2 years, the person I knew is a complete lie," he said.

He was in a de facto relationship with her and never knew her as Brenda Overton, but now understands that she used names from previous marriages.

Her duplicity even went as far as lying about her children. "She told me her daughter died of cancer when she was in foster care and her son was in the States, when he wasn't."

He said she was able to take advantage of Mrs Cherry because the elderly woman had Alzheimer's disease and had earlier written down her bank card passwords. "Brenz put two and two together."

His mother's savings account was empty and her credit card was maxed out to $11,000, he said.

Police prosecutor Sergeant Graeme Eden said in court yesterday Schwass-Arnold did not live with the victim but started to help with her care. Mrs Cherry had a Westpac account and Visa and internet banking.

In 2010, Mrs Cherry's health started to get worse, and Schwass-Arnold increasingly started looking after her. She took her out from time to time.

In July 2010, she started taking money out of the savings account, though she had no authority to do so. She kept Mrs Cherry's eftpos card in her purse, and police later found it in her handbag.

Schwass-Arnold used the card mainly in Motueka, but also in Havelock, Picton, Blenheim, Nelson, Richmond and Stoke.

She transferred money from the Visa to the cheque account to top up the account.

Mr Cherry said the money had largely been frittered away. "She spent it on loads of junk. She would go into the $2 shop and spend $80 ... not once but quite a few times."

The charges show that she withdrew on average $100 at a time, also spending it at The Warehouse, supermarkets, petrol stations and Mitre 10.

Mr Cherry said Schwass-Arnold also told people she had cancer. "She was supposed to be in Wellington getting chemotherapy when she had been living it up at Picton."

When he discovered what she was up to, he was shocked.

"This is not the first time she has done this. If we had been aware, none of this would have got off the ground."

While distressed for his mother, he was also concerned during the weeks before police were able to arrest Schwass-Arnold that others could fall prey to her.

He also had to wait, powerless to intervene, during the investigation, while she spent his mother's money. "The police could not put a freeze on it because it was cash."

Mr Cherry said his mother was well liked in the community. "A lot of people in Motueka want a piece of [Schwass-Arnold]."

After Schwass-Arnold was led away into custody yesterday, Mr Cherry said: "I'm very glad she's inside now, for other people's safety."

It was seven months since he first went to the police, he said. "It's gone on a bit long.

"She's not going to change her habits, and there's probably a lot more we don't know about. Fingers crossed she goes away for a long time."

Judge Tony Zohrab, who yesterday remanded Schwass-Arnold until February 27 for sentencing, said she would receive a jail term.

He said she had taken advantage of a vulnerable person she was supposed to be caring for, a woman with dementia and who was unable to communicate verbally or in writing. She had also stolen significant funds before in similar circumstances.


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Internal Affairs is considering submissions received after ordering the removal of pokies from the Brewers Bar in Victory Square.

The move followed a High Court judgment in September invalidating the Nelson City Council's gambling policy, which the bar's pokie licence was based on. It has nine machines operated by the Auckland-based Trillian Trust.

Internal Affairs spokesman Trevor Henry said it was not known how long the department would take to review the submissions before making a final decision which can then be appealed to the Gambling Commission.

The pokie licence for the bar is due for renewal next month


Court rules against NCC over pokies


come up trumps in its long-running battle against Nelson City Council's gambling policy.

The High Court has ruled the city council failed to follow proper procedure when it made changes to the policy, relaxing rules that limit the proximity of pokie machines to ATMs, kindergartens, schools and playgrounds.

It is a significant win for the Nelson Gambling Taskforce, which raised $10,000 to take the council to court following community outrage at nine pokie machines being installed in Victory's Brewers Bar.

Those machines may end up having to be removed as a result of the judgment – the third court battle the council has lost this year.

Nelson City Council chief executive Keith Marshall declined to comment this morning, because he was yet to obtain legal advice. Mayor Aldo Miccio did not respond to calls from the Nelson Mail.

Nelson Gambling Taskforce member Hester Phillips welcomed the judgment, which she shared with concerned residents last night.

"We had a glass of champagne. People were just over the moon. I think we have achieved what we set out to achieve," she said.

The judgment would limit where pokies were able to go in future.

"We have a situation here in Nelson where the Nelson City Council admitted in the High Court that they altered the gambling policy at the request of one man to put nine pokies in the heart of Victory."

It seemed "highly unlikely" that Internal Affairs would not require the removal of those pokie machines given the judgment, she said.

"The judge said in court that he hadn't seen a case like this that was so clear in a long time. When he said that, we all looked at each other and thought we were going to win."

The trust was hopeful of getting costs awarded against the council, she said.

"We are very disappointed by NCC's attitude throughout this process and their attempts to prevent this case ever being heard in court."

The trust gave the council the opportunity to avoid a court case, she suggests.

"Early on they charged us hundreds of dollars for information we were entitled to under the Official Information Act. Then they sought the maximum amount of security for costs, through the court believing that our small community group would never be able to raise these funds," she said. In the High Court decision, Justice Simon France said the amendments Nelson City Council made to its gambling policy in 2010, other than a change in the maximum number of machines allowed, "did not comply with the statutory consultation requirements".

This was because the draft policy that people were invited to comment on proposed a change in the number of machines allowed, but other changes, including relaxing the location rules, were made subsequently without people being specifically invited to comment on those aspects.

"If one stands back here, keeping in mind what the purpose of the special consultative procedure are, it is plain, I suggest, that the process has misfired."

The Trillian Trust applied and sought consent to put pokies into the Brewers Bar the same month that the new policy was adopted. Brewers Bar spokesman Peter McGrath was unaware of the decision this morning and declined to comment before obtaining legal advice.

Dan McGuire   #13   7:52pm


This decision was inevitable. NCC has been absolutely reckless in neglecting to properly consult the community, over the pokies, over Montgomery carpark and now over the changes it intends to make to the city's noise laws.

Keep wasting our money, NCC. One of these days some incompetent staff will be fired.


Allen C   #12   06:45 pm Sep 08 2011


Miccio (Boss Hogg) et al is looking to put Nelson on the map somewhere in Hazzard County. HELLO! "Let's install a pokie next to a kindergarten." How messed up is that?


Lucky   #11   06:10 pm Sep 08 2011


"Nelson City Council chief executive Keith Marshall declined to comment this morning, because he was yet to obtain legal advice. Mayor Aldo Miccio did not respond to calls from the Nelson Mail."

Keith, if that's true, then its hardly surprising you keep losing in court - "the third court battle the council has lost this year"!!

Really, you don't take legal advice until after you lose each time?!? so what type of legal advice do they provide afterwards then? Third time unlucky and you can't even sack your lawyers. Next time NCC should seek legal advice before you go to court, it may improve your chances significantly!!

So three successive losses, how much has this cost us ratepayers then - and how much of that went to NCC's post-facto losing lawyers, Keith? Its our money and I want to know now.


QueenB   #10   04:59 pm Sep 08 2011


I am constantly amazed at that arrogance of NCC - it is becoming quite a dictatorship! Well done to the Victory community for standing up against them and their devious ways. Victory by name, victory by nature!


PD   #9   04:30 pm Sep 08 2011


'Mayor Aldo Miccio did not respond to calls from the Nelson Mail' - Ha Ha, that must be a first. He can't get enough of it normally! Face the music Aldo - there's more to being a good Mayor than dressing up and pushing your own personal agendas. Can we have a proper Mayor next time Nelson - we sure as hell need it!?


stevet   #8   03:40 pm Sep 08 2011


Dicitionary definition of "Consult" -to ask advice from (someone); confer with (someone) NCC defintion Of "Consult" - ask for advice from Chief Executive (staff); confer with no one (except maybe Councilors to get them onside!) 3 court decisions now going against the Council tells the story. The Mayor must assert some authority over staff - who's running the show?


JT   #7   03:33 pm Sep 08 2011


fantastic news nelson - less pokies = happier & safer families


karen   #6   03:02 pm Sep 08 2011


"the city council failed to follow proper procedure when it made changes"

This is the NCC at its core. They couldn't care less what the community or Nelsonians want. They are in a personal zeal to gain money, help friends in business or both.

The next election these worthless self seeking politicians will get a wake up call.

People's opinions and desires SHOULD MATTER in a democracy.


Daddio   #5   02:42 pm Sep 08 2011


So Aldo Miccio's Stewardship as Mayor has the council losing 3 court cases all with our rate money for their personal gain-----only one term for you Aldo for sure. You appear to have attacked a good community for the sake of one pub owner to me (someone from Stoke)----Be ashamed,be very ashamed. As for holding back the cheque book it seems to me your council Lawyers have a blank cheque book to waste money on such shonky cases.


Nelson Local News 11/08/2011-Best story of the Week

 Segway tours arrive in Nelson

1 comment from Pannikin cider

An option for those  ”energetic” hash walkers I can’t see the cup holder though for the pannikin


 CRUISING ON: Move Nelson Tours operator Hugh Briggs spins along the Maitai walkway on one of his Segway personal transporters.

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Hugh Briggs wants people to have more fun in Nelson, and his Segways are certainly creating smiles around town.

He has six of the battery-powered personal transporters and will offer a variety of guided tours around Nelson.

He hit on the idea while at Bangkok Airport and when he returned found that every main tourist town in New Zealand had Segway tourism operations, except Nelson.

A bed and breakfast operator, he believes Nelson does not have enough fun activities for tourists.

He plans tours ranging from 30 minutes to two hours, starting from Nelson's i-Site, going to Tahunanui, or around Founders Heritage Park, or along the river, to the Botanic Gardens, up to Fairfield House, along to the cathedral and down Trafalgar St.

He has been working with Nelson City Council on getting approvals.

The main reaction he gets is smiles and waves. During this interview two boys on scooters stopped to watch, saying: "Oh, cooool."

Unfortunately for them, users need to be over 12 years old and a minimum 45kg to use the self-balancing devices which can whiz along at up to 20kmh.

Mr Briggs' Auckland-based business partner has imported the Segways at $10,000 each from the United States, and the tours range from $40 to $90.

He will launch his Move Nelson (It's Wheely Fun) Segway Tours at the Ecofest Expo on August 20 and 21, "because they're a fantastic eco-friendly thing".

He's not just aiming at tourists, he expects local residents will be keen too. "I think they're a fantastic way to see Nelson. I'm passionate about seeing the city in this unique way.

"If an old fart like me can do it, anyone can."  


Nelson Mayor -Aldo Miccio- steal $10,000 from Ratepayers


Chinese e-commerce opportunities that Nelson Mayor Aldo Miccio has been touting as being great for Nelson businesses also look set to make money for the mayor himself.

Mr Miccio says there is no conflict of interest between his mayoral work in developing Nelson-Chinese business and his chairmanship in a new venture, NZ Inc Shop.

It intends to sell New Zealand products through, a subsidiary of Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba.

"It's complicated and I know it will cause speculation but without a doubt it's all above board," Mr Miccio said.

"I believe there is no conflict ...

"The NZ Inc Shop story is an extremely positive story, for not only Nelson, but New Zealand."

This year ratepayers paid more than $10,000 to send Mr Miccio on trips to China in March and September to help develop connections for Nelson businesses.

He went because China valued the role of mayor, Nelson Economic Development Agency (EDA) chief executive Bill Findlater told the Nelson Mail before the first trip.

It included a delegation of local businessmen and saw Mr Miccio and Mr Findlater visiting e-commerce capital Hangzhou, where they met Alibaba's president.

"The potential for our region from this single company visit could be exceptional," Mr Miccio wrote in a trip blog.

The meeting was set up by Auckland-based Yong "York" Zhang, chairman of New Zealand Chinese Youth Chamber of Commerce, who Mr Miccio met through an EDA-arranged business visit to Nelson last year.

Mr Zhang is now a co-director and chief executive of the New Zealand-registered NZ Inc Shop, of which Mr Miccio is chairman and co-director. The other directors are Auckland-based Weidong He and Paul Gerald Hu.

After the first trip, Mr Miccio told The Nelson Mail that local small to medium businesses could have a new opportunity to sell into China in an e-commerce deal that was "groundbreaking stuff".

Nelson would be at the forefront of the opportunity, with the rest of New Zealand to become included, he said.

Mr Miccio and Mr Findlater visited China again in September. On his return, Mr Miccio told the Mail that a New Zealand-based company was facilitating the e-commerce deal - but failed to mention that by then, he was personally involved in it.

Mr Miccio said this week that he and Mr Findlater only landed in Hangzhou on the second trip, and did not meet any e-commerce representatives.

Both visits were about furthering connections for Nelson businesses, he said.

Mail inquiries have revealed that between the two trips Mr Zhang asked Mr Miccio to first write a business model and then be chairman of their new company, which was incorporated on August 23

Companies Office records show 15 per cent of NZ Inc Shop is held by Mr Miccio, his parents Cristina and Raffaele Miccio, and his wife, Kimberley, through Nelson-based company Bissi Ltd, of which Mr Miccio is sole director.

In response to the paper's inquiries, Mr Miccio issued a media release celebrating his new company as "a coup for New Zealand", which would launch in February.

It said that NZ Inc Shop had secured a New Zealand-made products e-shop on Tmall.

Last year Tmall averaged 3000 inquiries per day for New Zealand products and had a total half-yearly turnover of about NZ$4 billion that was forecast to grow by 25 per cent.

Tmall figures available online show it is expecting its total transactions to surpass US$7.85 billion (NZ$9.54b) in 2012.

Mr Miccio would not name any Nelson businesses involved with NZ Inc Shop, but said they had "a number of New Zealand companies ready to go".

Mr Miccio said there had been no council crossover and he had never spent any council time on NZ Inc Shop. Instead, it was his past personal business experience in China that had led to his involvement. He said nothing he had done on the council trips "added value" to his role in NZ Inc Shop now.

When he met Alibaba in March, "it was unknown to me what future proposal I would receive four months later from York and his colleagues."

Mr Miccio said his new job was "a big role".

"It will mean I will have to sacrifice a lot of my personal time to get this up and running, and I firmly believe you need to be fairly rewarded for the work you do. I have no problem being remunerated for being the chairman of the company.

"Of course there's going to be speculation about it all but hopefully people can see through, that this is separate outside other interests, private business, a lot of mayors have them, and this just so happens to tie in well where it's going to be game-breaking for New Zealand, let alone just Nelson.

"It's going to be huge benefits in terms of jobs and companies here [and] so it's a great opportunity to be asked to chair it. It's a great offer that I couldn't refuse and it was an exciting opportunity that I wanted to be a part of."

Local Government New Zealand president Lawrence Yule said he had spoken to Mr Miccio about the company.

"I can't really see a problem with it," he said.

"You have to be careful in this but mayors get asked to do lots of things to try and promote the interests of New Zealand and business."

He said he could not answer why Mr Miccio took a personal stake in the company.

"He told me it was a small personal stake".


2011 (date unknown): Mr Miccio meets Yong "York" Zhang at EDA meeting, who sets up a meeting with Alibaba in e-commerce hub Hangzhou.

March 2012: Mr Miccio and Nelson delegation visit Chinese cities including our sister city, Huangshi, and Mr Miccio and Mr Findlater meet Alibaba in Hangzhou.

April: Mr Miccio tells The Nelson Mail e-commerce opportunities with China will be "groundbreaking" for Nelson.

July: Mr Zhang asks Mr Miccio to join NZ Inc Shop as chairman.

August: NZ Inc Shop incorporated.

September: Mr Miccio and Mr Findlater return to China on council business.

October: Mr Miccio tells The Nelson Mail "a New Zealand company" will be furthering an e-commerce deal with China.

November: Mr Miccio announces his involvement with NZ Inc Shop.

- © Fairfax NZ News


Nelson Local News 21/08/2011-Best story of the Week

 News update Distressed Swallows 

 Another- dickhead!!!

Bird error hard to swallow

21/08/2009SharePrint Text Size  SUPPLIEDSAD SIGHT: A swallow lies injured after being injured trying to free itself from a bird repellent gel. SUPPLIEDTRAPPED FAST: Two swallows stuck to a pipe.Relevant offersDozens of protected swallows were killed or injured after the wrong application of a bird repellent left their inner city roost a death trap. Over 70 welcome swallows had to be put down after suffering horrific injuries while trying to free themselves after being stuck to a pipe.

 SPCA inspector Kayte, who asked for her surname not to be used, said it was an "overwhelming and bizarre sight" that confronted her after the distressed birds were found in a building alcove near Garden Place on Wednesday night.

 "A lot of the birds were stuck to the pipe and flinging themselves around," she said. "The majority had broken wings and broken legs by the time we managed to get to them."

 The narrow pipe which covered a sprinkler system was about five metres off the ground.  


"We had to call the fire department because there was no other way to get to the birds. They had to take the birds off one by one, almost feather by feather."  

The sticky substance had caused some of the birds to stick to each other as well Kayte said. "They were glued together in clumps on the ground and were thrashing around. It was an overwhelming situation."

 The birds were taken to Chartwell Vets. "Thirteen were already dead when we got to the site. Seventy-three had to be euthanised because they were too badly injured but we were able to wash and clean 21 of them."

 The owner of the building where the birds were roosting, Steve McLennan, said the birds had become a problem in the area over the last month. "There were massive piles of excrement where they were roosting. I had asked the guys to come and clean it up and look at options for bird-proofing it."

 Contractor Graham Jefferis said it appeared a worker had applied too much Hot Foot repellent on the pipe. The product has been on the market for 23 years and is designed to give a sticky feel as the birds step out of the gel, making them avoid the surface in future.

 "I think he was being overzealous in making sure the birds didn't land there," Mr Jefferis said. "The intent was certainly not to harm or kill anything."

Mr McLennan said he was devastated by what had happened and had offered $1000 to help with the surviving birds.

  50 Distressed Swallows put  down

Nelson Local News 8/7/2011-Best story of the Week


Palmer tenanted by Harvey Norman and Resene Paints.

Distressing, sticky end for trapped swallows

Trapped swallows
GLUE TRAP: Kylie Yates, senior nurse at the Stoke Veterinary Centre, with the 49 dead swallows the vet put down after they were found glued together with the product Hot Foot.

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Nearly 50 distressed birds have been put down after being trapped in a sticky repellent on a Nelson building.

A Nelson SPCA inspector and the vet who had to euthanase the swallows are horrified at their injuries.

Many of the birds had their wings stuck to their bodies, their bodies stuck to one another, and leg injuries, said Nelson SPCA senior inspector Craig Crowley.

The birds were found at the back entrance to the St Vincent St building owned by Wakatu Incorporation and tenanted by Harvey Norman and Resene Paints.

Swallows roosting on pipes had been causing a problem, and a bird repellent product, Hot Foot, had been used, Crowley said.

"I understand the reason for doing it, but we ended up with a huge number of birds taken to the vet to be put down."

Stoke Vet Clinic veterinarian Callum Irvine said the woman who called the clinic after-hours was distressed about the birds she had found.

"She brought in 45 birds quite heavily covered in this sticky substance. They couldn't move, with injuries to their legs and wings, and the decision was made to euthanase them."

Crowley brought in another four birds the next morning.

"It's quite distressing, not just to the member of the public who found them, but for me as a vet. I have never seen anything as horrible in pest control. It is unacceptable in any circumstances."

It was concerning, despite people considering swallows to be pests, he said.

"It's still unnecessary to cause that suffering and harm. Animal control should be humane."

Irvine said he understood the product was effective.

"I'm not suggesting the product is not OK; it's more about the method of application."

Wakatu Incorporation chief executive Keith Palmer said it had asked its maintenance contractor to chase the birds away and the contractor had bought the product.

After meeting with the SPCA inspector this morning, Palmer said the issue was with the product, not the contractor, who he declined to name.

"We will not use the product again."

Instructions for Hot Foot repellent specify where to cut the nozzle of the cartridge to apply the appropriate bead of gel to repel birds according to their size.

Crowley said the product, which is readily available, should be used in a narrow bead. A bird making contact with it and feeling it was getting stuck would warn other birds.

"It's a product that is out there and if it is not used correctly, these sorts of things happen with a degree of animal cruelty or animal welfare issues

"In this case, if it was used deliberately in a way to entrap the animal there could be consequences. If it was used incorrectly with no intent, a stern letter would suffice."

A similar case in Waikato two years ago led to more than 70 swallows being put down.

fiordlander   #10   12:03 pm Jul 09 2011



I thought the "welcome swallows" were protected by the NZ law. They were self introduced in '50s. They cause no trouble, in to any other bird ar animal species in NZ. Since when did they became "pests" and needed animal control measures?


Rick   #8   09:18 am Jul 09 2011


Most civilised countries regard swallows as a joyous portent of spring and a very wonderful site.

Who thinks of these as pests?

There are plenty of ways to discourage nesting birds without this barbarism. However in a country that poisons the countryside with 1080 I suppose we should expect no better.


minnie   #7   08:28 am Jul 09 2011


what stu # 3 said. swallows are delightful birds, what a horrible, cruel way to end their lives. why isn't the business concerned being prosecuted?


badbob   #6   10:06 pm Jul 08 2011


nic #2 stu #3 Are you both members of Morons Unliited ? Neither of you mention Resene,and if you had a brain between you you would have read that it was "Wakatu Incorporation"that engaged the contractor ....


andrew   #5   09:26 pm Jul 08 2011


what kind of contractor was this? sounds like a Mafia contract. id be going down throwing bread onto the roof to feed the birds if i lived there. disgusting


vixen   #4   07:19 pm Jul 08 2011


I don't think it's anything to do with Harvey Norman, Whakatu Inc are the owners of the building and therefore responsible for pest control...


stu   #3   05:47 pm Jul 08 2011


boycott harvey norman the moron contractor


nic   #2   04:18 pm Jul 08 2011


Thought someone with such a high profile in town would do better Harvey Norman. There are better ways.


anne   #1   02:26 pm Jul 08 2011




Nelson Local News 28/6/2011-Best story of the Week 

Aussie owners of Nelson Mail and Leader exporting NZ jobs to India

The Australian company that owns the Nelson Mail and the Leader is sacking New Zealand workers and sending their jobs to India, according to a report in the New Zealand Herald newspaper.

Fairfax Media announced plans to axe 45 staff across its publications in New Zealand to creative advertising studios in India last week.

EPMU senior national industry officer Paul Tolich expressed disappoitment at the news in the Herald,which affects "day-to-day advertisements, often from templates, for insertion in metro and suburban papers owned by Fairfax Media in New Zealand."

The Nelson Mail and the Leaders are already using offshore studios for some artwork.

The cuts in staffing are being made in Fairfax publicatons across the country. "It's extremely disappointing that Fairfax has chosen to export these highly skilled jobs. At a time when  there is high unemployment and insecurity, it's the last thing these workers and their families need. "We know that the newspaper industry is facing challenges, and that they're looking to reduce costs and grow revenue. But local advertising relies on workers spending in their local communities. How can they spend when they don't have jobs?" Paul was reported as saying.

The Nelson Mail made significant cuts to its staff in 2009 in sub-editing, accounts and prepress departments, with the majority of  the work for those departments now done from out of town "hubs" based in Hamilton and Christchurch as well as other centres.

(reported in Nelson Weekly) 


*Nick Guegon - What are the Trade Union doing about this ?  As usually nothing. 

No point studying at Nelson Colleges for creative advertising (no future for you)

*Adrian Clark - Maybe we could sacking the High Court Judges in NZ and send their jobs to India, would save NZ Tax payer lots of money. 



Nelson Local News 25/5/2011  -Best story of the Week (Truckie blown up from buttock in freak accident)

A Bay of Plenty truck driver says he felt like a human balloon when compressed air was forced into his body after he fell onto a brass fitting that pierced his buttock.

Despite the freak accident, Opotiki's Steven McCormack, 48, was cheerful in Whakatane Hospital's intensive care unit yesterday, saying he felt "lucky to be alive".

On Saturday he was standing on the plate between the cab of his truck and semi-trailer at Waiotahi Contractors.

His foot slipped and, as he fell, he broke the hose off a brass nipple connected to the compressed air reservoir powering the truck's brakes.

He fell hard on to the nipple, which pierced the flesh of his left buttock.

As the air, compressed to 100 pounds per square inch, began rushing into his body and he started screaming.

"I felt the air rush into my body and I felt like it was going to explode from my foot," McCormack said.

"I was blowing up like a football... it felt like I had the bends - like in diving. I had no choice but just to lay there, blowing up like a balloon."

Doctors later told him that the air separated fat from muscle, and they were surprised it did not break his skin.

McCormack's workmates heard his screams and found him with the elbow-shaped nipple hooked into his rear, company co-owner Robbie Petersen said.

He said he could hear the air hissing out and quickly released the pressurised container's safety valve to stop the air flow.

The nipple remained embedded as three men - Jason Wenham, Ross Hustler and Petersen - lifted  McCormack's upper torso on to the truck's plate.

Wenham put him on his side in the recovery position, a move McCormack thought probably saved his life.

It helped him breathe, although his head and neck were swollen and one lung was filling with fluid.

His workmates broke into a water cooler to find ice, which they packed around his neck to ease the swelling.

They waited an hour for ambulances to arrive from Whakatane as Opotiki's ambulance and the rescue helicopter were busy.

Aided by a doctor, ambulance officers removed the nipple and McCormack was rushed to Whakatane Hospital.

Doctors inserted a tube into his lungs to drain the fluid and cleared the wound in his buttock using what felt to him like a drill. "That was the most painful part."

He said his skin felt "like a pork roast" - crackling on the outside but soft underneath. The only way for the air to escape was the usual way gas passed from the body, he said.

He credited his workmates - Wenham especially - with saving his life and thanked emergency services and hospital staff for their actions.

He also thanked his family for their support.

Petersen said it was a "million-to-one freak accident" and he had notified the Department of Labour.

The surgeon who treated McCormack declined to be interviewed.

Nelson Local News  -Best storys of the Week  14/4/2011-Toothfish rejection a 'cynical' gesture

Giant United States supermarket chain Safeway has used Antarctic toothfish as a sacrificial lamb to improve its environmental image, a Nelson seafood industry executive said today.

Safeway has announced it  won't buy or sell toothfish and that it wants the entire Ross Sea designated a marine reserve.

However, New Zealand Longline spokesman Ross Tocker said Safeway was unknown to the company as a toothfish stockist. It hadn't been highly regarded for its purchasing record, and he thought it was "throwing toothfish under the truck".

This was an American expression used when a business sacrificed something that wasn't worth much, to make it look good, he said.

Antarctic toothfish, often marketed as Chilean sea bass and sold at high prices in the United States, Asia and around the world, has been certified by the international non-profit Marine Stewardship Council as being caught sustainably.

New Zealand Longline is a 50-50 joint venture between Sealord and Talley's, and operates the Antarctic Chieftain and the Janas from Port Nelson. Both have been in port since mid-February and are due to resume fishing early next month. They caught about 3000 tonnes of toothfish last season.

The Christchurch-based Last Ocean Charitable Trust said a growing number of international environmental groups were calling for the entire Ross Sea to be designated a no-take marine reserve, and it was thrilled that Safeway had joined the quest.

However, Mr Tocker said there was a "cynical flavour" to the Safeway announcement.

"If you're a large company and you've got a bit of pressure on, and you aren't actually handling anything, then it's quite an easy thing to say, 'We're going to ban the future sales of toothfish', and you get yourself some quite nice points. It's easy to have a sacrificial lamb."

Mr Tocker said such statements didn't alter the fact that the fishery was highly sustainable, and well managed, with daily catch reporting and close monitoring.

He said while NZ Longline supported putting some areas into reserves, closing the whole Ross Sea to fishing was comparable to shutting the entire New Zealand exclusive economic zone, the world's fourth-largest.

He said toothfish was returning about US$22 a kilogram – twice the value of orange roughy – and being served in "top of the line white-table restaurants" around the globe.

Last May leading shipping company Maersk announced that it would no longer transport toothfish, orange roughy, shark or whale meat to overseas markets. Some other overseas supermarkets have also announced that they won't stock certain fish because of environmental concerns.

David Ainley   #4   03:28 pm Apr 15 2011

 I wonder if Mr. Tocker has shopped at Safeway? I doubt it. I have and not long ago they sold "Chilean seabass". Now they don't. So, Mr. Tocker can continue to live in an insulated world believing what he wants to believe, but a growing number of people are realizing that the toothfish trade is for bucks only, with no redeeming value and infact a negative value to the ocean environment. Mr. Tocker uses the words, "highly sustainable" in characterization of the Ross Sea fishery. What does that mean? What would be "lowly sustainable"? So, far there have been no "sustainable" toothfish fisheries; yes, even the MSC certified one at South Georgia is showing signs of trouble.


Daddio   #3   11:05 pm Apr 14 2011


My bet is everybody in Green peace is a vegetarian and won't stop with their middle class view of the world until everyone stops eating anything with a face. Think also,all those birds that stay alive and rely on the beached Whales are facing actual extinction while you idiots feel you have to give them [the Whales] a decent burial just so you can have a warm fuzzy feeling-----good idea,take a whole lot of sea birds to the brink of extinction so you can feel good about yourselves even though beaching is a natural and important phenomenon.


Allen C   #2   05:45 pm Apr 14 2011


My interest here is accurate reporting.

Safeway is likely more interested in pleasing its environmentally conscious customers. Safeway is #4 on the Greenpeace Supermarket Sustainability Scorecard.

"throwing toothfish under the truck" What?


ADW   #1   03:30 pm Apr 14 2011


Good on Safeway - someone has to start standing up for the Ross Sea - New Zealand is doing appallingly.


Nelson Local News  -Best story of the Week  

 Sealord's in Finance Trouble!

Sealord's Japanese shareholder comes to rescue

New Zealand's largest fishing company, Sealord Group, had to tap its Japanese shareholder to escape a short-term debt crunch last year, newly filed annual accounts show.

The Nelson fishing giant, half-owned by Maori interests through Aotearoa Fisheries, borrowed $69.9 million from its co-owner Nippon Suisan Kaisha as a mountain of bank debt fell due in the year to June 2010.

As a privately owned company Sealord does not usually comment on its financials, but the signs of the strain on its balance sheet had been apparent for some time.

The previous year's financial statements for holding company Kura were tagged by auditor Ernst & Young as it faced paying $172.9m to its bankers ANZ, HSBC and Rabobank by last June.

The banking facilities were ultimately refinanced in May by a new, larger syndicate including BNZ and Bank of Tokyo.

The new deal, totalling $147.7m, was on a range of terms but included $69.8m due within just six months. The tranche was subsequently rolled over last October.

Including debt to Nippon Suisan, known as Nissui, Sealord owes $281.3m, up from $229.6m the previous year, taking its gearing ratio up from 33 per cent to 35 per cent, just within its target range of 20-35 per cent.

In an accounting note headed "going concern", the directors said, "after making due inquiry, there is a reasonable expectation that the group has adequate resources to continue at existing levels for the next 12 months from 29 October 2010".

Operationally, Sealord had a respectable year as profit before financial adjustments rose about 11 per cent to $18.4m, despite revenue slipping from $584.8m to $530.9m. The figures are likely to be driven by similar factors as listed rival Sanford, which in November reported a full-year profit of $25m on improving fish prices.

After balance date Sealord sold its 35 per cent share of Danish fish marketer Nordic Seafood for $23.3m to Nissui, which now owns all of Nordic.

Horse ride ban

Hone hit with horse ride ban



TUCKING IN: Barney, the horse owned by Lewis Stanton aka Hone Ma Heke, is tied up outside the Nelson Courthouse while Mr Stanton appears in court.

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Nelson vagrant Lewis Stanton has been banned from giving horse and cart rides at Tahunanui Reserve without a permit, a decision he says will see him spending more time in the central city.

Judge Tony Zohrab yesterday granted the Nelson City Council a permanent injunction which prevents Mr Stanton, also known as Hone Ma Heke, from offering rides at the public reserve in exchange for koha or donations.

Judge Zohrab determined that Mr Stanton was essentially operating a business on council land without council permission, which he would have to apply for if he wished to continue.

Judge Zohrab said Mr Stanton was entitled to live in his own style, but not to the extent that it impinged on the lifestyles of others.

He said the injunction was a matter of balancing Mr Stanton's individual rights against the collective right of the public to freely enjoy recreational spaces, and against the rights of people who had legitimately applied to run a business at the beachside reserve.

Lawyer for the council, Julian Ironside, submitted that Mr Stanton gave people horse and cart rides in exchange for cash donations or koha, which amounted to a commercial service, as defined by the bylaw that regulates trading in council-controlled public spaces.

Defence lawyer Jessica Heard argued that Mr Stanton was the "antithesis" of a commercial operator. Because people were not obliged to pay him, this distinguished him from other commercial services, she said.

She submitted that it was a lifestyle choice for Mr Stanton to rely on donations for his survival, and that taking people for rides was simply part of that lifestyle.

"His world view is about harmonious co-operation rather than commercial exchange for profit.

"He does not undertake what he undertakes for profit, but in accordance with the lifestyle he leads."

It was accepted by both parties that between October and December last year, Mr Stanton took numerous people for rides, and sometimes accepted donations or koha, but not always.

Mr Stanton admitted targeting the reserve, as well as the central city, because those sites had the highest volume of foot traffic.

Though he did not ask for money, he did display a donation "bucket" that invited people to make a contribution to his lifestyle.

Mr Stanton recorded the money he received during that period, which totalled $1644, but denied that this was "revenue" in a commercial sense.

During cross-examination by Mr Ironside, Mr Stanton said he needed that money, and other donations, in order to survive and to care for his horse, Barney.

"Basically, I live simply, by human goodwill," he said.

"I am simply a lifestyle. That's exactly why I live the way I do, to get away from all that [commercial] stuff.

"I have chosen to live an alternative lifestyle and council don't want me to do that. It's that clear, plain and simple.

"What sort of society are we creating because we have to rely on everything having a monetary value? There are a lot of other values in society that many of us don't recognise now, because of the mighty dollar."

Judge Zohrab ruled that by refusing to apply for a commercial operating licence, Mr Stanton had breached a council regulation that all other citizens were obliged to follow.

He said the council had offered Mr Stanton an opportunity to get a permit as per the regulation, but he refused.

Mr Stanton said he had never intended to apply for a permit, which costs $35, because he was not a business and never would be.

"He expects to be treated differently. This is simply the council treating Mr Stanton like any other citizen," Judge Zohrab said.

Outside the courthouse, Mr Stanton said the decision meant he would be "stuck here in Nelson, which is going to upset a few more of those shop owners and others".

"I'll be stuck around town for a little bit longer - I hope it puts a smile on some people's faces."

On Wednesday, Mr Stanton featured on TVNZ current affairs show Seven Sharp, which he said had exposed the "bigotry" of some Nelsonians. "Nelson can be quite a redneck town."

He said he wanted to eventually return to Motueka.


A lifestyle choice

$50k parking fines: A lifestyle choice

HORSE AND CART: Lewis Stanton parked in Nelson's Hardy Street, with his horse Barney and a cart and trailer.
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PAPERWORK: The notebook Stanton uses to record his fines and donations.
Lewis Stanton
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LEWIS STANTON: Has no intention of paying his parking

Nelson vagrant Lewis Stanton has been issued more than $50,000 in parking infringements and has "absolutely no intention" of paying them.

The Nelson City Council has referred over $30,000 of the fines to the Ministry of Justice for collection.

Stanton keeps a running total of the fines he has clocked up since December 21 in a notebook.

He was issued tickets for $600 on Monday and $1380 last week.

Monday's fines included $200 for no warrant of fitness on his trailer, $200 for operating an unlicensed motor vehicle and $200 for not having registration plates affixed in the prescribed manner.

Stanton, who is not on a benefit, records in a separate notebook the amount of money he gets in "donations" from the public. Last week he said he got $74.20 or about $1.65 an hour.

Stanton said he would not be paying the tickets because his horse and cart did not fit the legal definition of what a motorised vehicle was under the Land Transport Act. Nor did his trailer need to be warranted or registered.

"My trailer is not pulled by a motorised vehicle."

Stanton and his brown horse, Barney, regularly park on Bridge St, where Barney, his cart and trailer take up two parks.

He has been in a long running stoush with Nelson City Council, and heads back to court with the council on July 25. He is appealing an injunction that the city council issued against him which prevents him from offering rides at Tahunanui in his horse and cart without a concession.

He does not believe he needs the licence that other businesses operating from Tahunanui require because he is not a business.

"I'm not a business. I'm simply a lifestyle."

Stanton staged a one man protest against the council and its freedom camping rules last year by sitting outside Farmers' store on Trafalgar St.

In November, his conviction for obstructing the footpath in Trafalgar St was overturned by the High Court.

Since then he's been in further battles with the council over where he can camp with Barney.

A Nelson City Council spokeswoman said Mr Stanton had been issued fines totalling $50,690. They were for a range of infringements, including no parking permit, no warrant of fitness, no number plate, no licence label (registration) and over the condition of tyres.

The spokeswoman said all unpaid fines were referred to the Ministry of Justice for collection. Non payment of fines could result in arrest.Currently $33,940 is overdue for payment and has been lodged with the court for collection.

Asked if the tickets would continue to be given to Mr Stanton even though they failed to be a deterrent, the spokeswoman said council officers were obligated to issue fines when they saw infringements.

"The reaction of the recipient to the fines has no bearing on council's obligation to issue them," she said.

The council is scheduled to discuss a report around the issue of Stanton's freedom camping next 

Stanton throws his hat in the ring


Last updated 07:56 01/04/201319
STANTON TO STAND: Lewis Stanton has set his sights on the Nelson mayoralty.

Nelson horse-and-cart man Lewis Stanton is understood to be preparing an audacious bid for the Nelson mayoralty.

Mr Stanton, also known as Hone Ma Heke, joins city councillor Rachel Reese and senior Nelson police commander Inspector Brian McGurk as one of three contenders so far to announce plans to run for mayor in local body elections later this year.

A source close to Mr Stanton suggests that his decision is the result of a long-running battle with the Nelson City Council over parking, access to public parks and reserves and his right to protest in the city.

"Hone has decided that if he can't beat them, he won't just join them, he'll lead them" said a friend of Mr Stanton.

Transport is expected to be a key election issue for Mr Stanton, with a number of city roads earmarked for modifications and upgrades to make them more horse-friendly.

Funding for the project would come from a hike in city parking fees where cars would be charged up to $3 an hour while horse-drawn vehicles would be allowed to park for free.

Mr Stanton is expected to formally announce his entry to the mayoral race with a speech outside Farmers on Trafalgar St at midday on April 1.


 Banned protester awaits High Court decision -28/08/2012


  Banned protester awaits High Court decision

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Nelson protester Lewis Stanton will find out next week whether an appeal to the High Court has resulted in another legal victory.

Stanton, also known as Hone Ma Heke, appeared in the High Court at Nelson yesterday to appeal convictions handed down by Nelson District Court last year.

He had been sentenced to 195 hours of community work by Judge Tony Zohrab after being found guilty of five charges of trespass, a charge of wilful damage and two charges of defacing a footpath with graffiti, following a defended hearing this year.

The charges arose after Stanton protested against a blanket trespass ban issued by the Nelson City Council, which prevented him from entering most of the public reserves in the city.

It was the first time the council had issued a blanket trespass order, which Judge Zohrab ruled was unreasonable and a violation of his human rights.

However, he found Stanton had broken the law by refusing to leave Civic House at closing time on a number of occasions in February, and by drawing on the footpath in Nelson in protest against the ban.

Representing himself yesterday, Stanton said he had a right to self-expression under the Bill of Rights.

Crown prosecutor Hugh Boyd-Wilson said that while Stanton felt aggrieved by the ban, he had gone beyond what was acceptable in terms of freedom of expression.

Justice Warwick Gendall said that while writing in chalk could not always be considered as defacing a footpath – children playing hopscotch, for example, would not be offenders – the question was of degree. He said he would deliver his decision in writing before Friday.



 Hone Ma Heke is reunited with his horse 22/08/2012

Hone Ma Heke is reunited with his horse Barney in Marsden Valley on Wednesday.

Nelson protester Lewis Stanton has been reunited with his horse Barney at Marsden Valley in a low-key affair.

Mr Stanton, who is also known as Hone Ma Heke, said this morning he would stay with Barney in Marsden Valley for a few days and re-train him for pulling the horse and cart on the road.

The reunion would end his long-running protest in Trafalgar St.

‘‘I might go back to being the wizard. I don’t think I will be going back to protesting.’’

Mr Stanton has been protesting outside Farmers on Trafalgar St against the Nelson City Council for over 18 months.

He was protesting after the city council confiscated his horse and cart after he repeatedly breached council by-laws by camping overnight in council reserves.

The council had repeatedly offered to give him Barney and his horse cart back on condition he stopped camping overnight on council reserves.

Mr Stanton refused the offer as he said it breached his human rights.

He said today he was "absolutely" pleased to be back with Barney, whom he said he last saw a fortnight ago.
Marsden Valley was a pleasant place to camp, he 

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Ella #30 10:08 am Aug 26 2012


donna #20 I was thinking the same thing. The horse was running to escape. Very complex and sad situation. Robyn there is a difference between thinking outside-the-box-innovative and outside-the-box-insane. I don't think Steve Job's had Mr Stanton in mind when he shared those thoughts. You can't honestly think he was protesting on all our behalf? Often Mental instability can make you act narcissitically because it can be difficult to see the bigger picture and you are stuck on your own needs ; ie he wants to camp for free. We all want to live for free but I know its fantastic that if somebody in my community is sick they can visit a hospital, and oh yes our kids can go to school.


hmmmm #29 04:10 pm Aug 24 2012


Well the lack of Lewis Stanton news will reduce the size of the Nelson Mail and save a few trees, so that's a positive.


Nelsonian #28 10:04 pm Aug 23 2012


So the one person in Nelson that pays no rates, or contribution to society has more rights to our parks than anyone else?.....?? Nice work. Where do I go to get my permit.


sandy #27 via mobile07:48 pm Aug 23 2012


Lol @robyn i can not believe you compared Lewis Stanton to Steve Jobs!! Ridiculous!


truth #26 03:10 pm Aug 23 2012



He's hardly a misfit. Why don't we all take a second and stop pretending he's some social outcast thats a fighter against all forms of social constriction and society and see him for what he really is.

A man with head injuries and a temper problem. He needs not be applauded, but looked after in a home.

And if he's really just an excentric then perhaps a country with laws and regulations is not his place. It doesn't 'breach' your civil rights you absolute fool! It protects the reserves from being filled with freedom campers toilet paper and bodily fluids while REAL campers pay good money to camp in an environmentaly friendly way that doesn't destroy or disgustingly pollute our environment.

Well done Council. Your backbone and intelligence in this complete fiasco came through good and proper!

Hope SPCA keep a close eye on that horse. If he's struggling to make money now, what will it be like when he no longer begs for money and has an animals mouth to feed?!


Sue #25 02:20 pm Aug 23 2012




PT #24 01:55 pm Aug 23 2012


Bye! Don't come back if you know what's good for you!


Robyn #23 11:39 am Aug 23 2012


Thought these words were a fit .. Well done Hone! "Here's to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes... the ones who see things differently -- they're not fond of rules... You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can't do is ignore them because they change things... they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do." -- Steve Jobs, US computer engineer & industrialist


Rangi #22 10:01 am Aug 23 2012


If they were to have a civil union, would that qualify as animal husbandry? Sorry Mr Stanton, but people like you will always find a home in the ridicule of others. If respect is what you want, then please make efforts to earn it.


Scott #21 via mobile09:26 am Aug 23 2012


Good stuff Hone. I hope the retraining is successful. The kids and I are looking forward to seeing you out on the road again and having the Wizard back out our way.



Nelson protester Lewis Stanton may soon end his protest and be reunited with his horse and cart, but he is asking the Nelson City Council to pay his wages for a few weeks first.

On Friday, Mr Stanton was bailed on two charges of obstruction of a footpath. He will be back in court on August 24, after the result of an appeal to the High Court on a previous conviction for obstruction is known.

His bail conditions mean he is able to continue his protest, but he must do so on the outside edge of the footpath in front of the Farmers store in Trafalgar St, away from the cover of the verandah.

Defence lawyer Steven Zindel has also been lobbying the council on Mr Stanton's behalf, and on Friday he sent an email outlining Mr Stanton's latest requests.

Mr Stanton wanted his cart seat repaired, his horse Barney reshod - with tungsten-tipped shoes - and a saddle repaired, Mr Zindel said. He also requested up to three weeks to retrain Barney for traffic.

While this transition occurred, and Mr Stanton was not able to earn money from travelling around in his horse and cart, he was requesting $100 per week, for up to three weeks, towards compensation for the loss of his livelihood brought about by the conversion of his chattels 18 months ago.

Mr Stanton reserved his rights to camp anywhere, Mr Zindel said.

As the city's freedom camping bylaw "sunsetted" on August 30, the council might not be able to stop him freedom camping until a new lawful bylaw was promulgated, he said.

Council executive manager network services Alec Louverdis said the council had repeatedly said it would give Mr Stanton his horse and cart back. There had been some damage to the cart and saddle, and the council would repair those items, and was also prepared to reshoe the horse.

Mr Louverdis said he would be meeting with the council's lawyers today to discuss Mr Stanton's other demands, including compensation.

The next step would be meeting with Mr Stanton's lawyers and police to see if there could be a way to resolve the situation.

Mr Louverdis said Mr Stanton was saying he did not want a special permit to camp on council land, which was something councillors were considering.


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 Protester's scuffle caught on camera
Do we known this person-Judy !

Hone in tussle with mother of seven(Judy Crowe)- reported in Nelson Mail- 13/7/2012


Sparks fly as Hone resumes protest

It took less than a day after his return from prison for Lewis Stanton to get involved in a physical confrontation with a member of the public in Nelson's Trafalgar St, with the woman concerned likening him to a spoiled child who needs to grow up.Fifty-nine-year-old mother of seven Judy Crowe deliberately provoked Mr Stanton, also known as Hone Ma Heke, by picking up some of his cardboard protest signs from outside the Farmers store and carrying them through the City Centre Arcade before depositing them on the other side.She did it at about 4pm, and when she walked past again a short time later, Mr Stanton bailed her up.Amateur photographer Bill Evans – a supporter of Mr Stanton's right to protest – was on hand and supplied pictures of the altercation to the Nelson Mail.Mr Stanton has protested against the Nelson City Council in Trafalgar St for more than a year, and has just completed a short prison term after he failed to complete a community service sentence imposed for assault, trespass and graffiti offences.

Ms Crowe, an image consultant and Nelson Marlborough District Health Board member, said today she was trying to make a point in a fun way, having been frustrated by the length of Mr Stanton's protest and the inability of the council or Farmers to do anything about it.

"He's been behaving like a seven or 8-year-old in public, or even a two or 3-year-old, having a paddy in front of Farmers. I just picked his toys up and said, `Mummy's going to put your toys away'."

Ms Crowe said that although Mr Stanton blocked her movement with his palms against the shop window, she had not been afraid, and would not be laying an assault complaint with police.

Mr Stanton, who later spoke to police, had told her he would be making a theft complaint.

She said she had nothing against Mr Stanton but his protest had dragged on for too long.

"I see it as a mother of seven children. You can allow them freedom, you've got guidelines there, but at some point if they're overstepping the mark and that's interfering with other people, a stand has to be made.

"I think his actions are intimidating and bullying. He's holding us to ransom."

She said she spoke to Mr Stanton in a kindly manner before picking up some of his signs, telling him it was time to move on.

"I think enough is enough."

Ms Crowe said she had now made a formal complaint to the council about Mr Stanton's continued occupation of the Trafalgar St site. Her action yesterday was designed to bring "a bit of humour and common sense" to the situation.

Her message to Mr Stanton today was: "I want you to step forward and be productive and show what you can give society, instead of just taking from us and acting like a spoiled 2-year-old."

Mr Evans said he had taken the pictures when Ms Crowe began behaving "more than" provocatively.

"She was coming in like a crazy woman.

"I think we have to start recognising that if people believe they have a grievance, they have the right to protest without being disturbed by all these loose screws."

Police Nelson Bays area commander, Inspector Steve Greally, did not have details of the incident this morning but said Mr Stanton had the same right to protest as everyone else.

Police would not breach his rights or victimise him, Mr Greally said. However, Mr Stanton did not have the right to intimidate, verbally abuse or assault anyone.

"If that is happening, people need to come to the police and report it.

"If you feel intimidated, come and see us. But I don't want people going to antagonise the man unnecessarily, which is what I've seen in the past, and it's very unimpressive."

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 Nick Guegon#54- Judy must be a Man Hater and a F******Bitch 
Angela Mockett #52 07:08 pm Jul 13 2012 Judy's controlled use of tough love was obviously considered and with kindly intent. No-one in Nelson wants this situation to get ugly yet media reports suggest that for many who work in the city tolerance and patience are quickly running out. Judy is right, Hone needs to be helped to recognise that as part of our community he needs to try something else. By ignoring the fact that his style of protest is upsetting to many he is risking alienating even the most sympathetic.
morgan #51 06:55 pm Jul 13 2012

 Next time I see Judy Crowe, I'm gonna snatch her purse and run off shouting "Daddy's going to put your toys away".

 R.E. #50 06:51 pm Jul 13 2012

 What an embarrassing saga this is turning into. It is time everyone faced up to the fact that it is the public's reaction and obsession with this that is damaging Nelson's image. Regardless of whether you are offended as you walk past the guy in the street, Nelson's reputation is suffering more from the obsessive, redneck reaction to it all. Just let go, and move on with your lives alredy!

Claire #49 06:31 pm Jul 13 2012 

A protest is one thing but 17 months and much criminal behaviour later it is time to call it a day. He has the right to protest. We have the right to enjoy our town without having to deal with the behaviour that arises due to his presence. I think he has had a fair suck of the sav. He needs to bugger off and get his pd done. Last week there was an article in the paper suggesting the Islanders working in Motueka shouldn't congregate in town. They are law abiding people paying their own way. What a pack of hypocrites we are.

 MS #48 05:50 pm Jul 13 2012 

Nasty Nasty Nelson people! And now the newspaper has joined in he's an "ex prisoner". Why the hell don't you all just get back to your ( seemingly ) boring lives and just either ignore him or leave him alone. Our family, including children, has NEVER EVER felt scared of, or threatened by, this person. We visit Nelson regularly . In fact, we've been treated rudely by staff of TWO shops in Trafalgar street, are you going to drum THEM out of town ? In our opinion they did more harm to your precious reputation than this guy did. You should rename Nelson " Home of petty minded rednecks " 

justice #47 05:43 pm Jul 13 2012

 Leave the guy be! You self righteous clowns only feed and back up his complaints. YOU have no right to decide when someone's right to protest is over!. You bunch of fascists! The council created this mess, NOT Mr Stanton, they decided that they alone had the right to tell people how to live their lives and that is simply not the case. I can't believe how pathetic some of you people are picking on this old fool. Get a life! None of you are beyond reproach, believe me, I see time wasters everyday in this town, some even have jobs, some work in public service. Still.......they are losers in my book simply because they actually suffer 'intellectual myopia'. They would not know a real crisis, a real issue of importance if it hit them on the head. Hence the IMF (doubt you even know who the IMF are most of you) is getting the government to sell our country,lands & natural resources from right beneath our noses to repay treasury debts that have paid for your bloody WFF's and KS benefits and................what do YOU clowns focus on? Just pathetic.

 Log in your eye. #46 05:42 pm Jul 13 2012

 If someone had a mental illness that made them think and behave like he does would you attack them?---Yes I think a lot of yous would in fact you do treat the mentally ill like it's their fault and Lewis is clearly such a person as is the Lady that felt the need to take the Law into her own hands (Vigilantism is illegal, lets see the law treat this lady to a free run just to prove how they treat races and well off people with more respect than the rest of us get) , well maybe she knows she broke the law whereas Lewis doesn't seem to know he is never going to be allowed his wish------I think Nelson is fill to the hilt with back stabbing haters that can get so worked up over 4 pieces of cardboard in front of a community mall, oh and the chalk on the ground, My god you can behave like a pack of whinny small town Oicks in this town-------Should get a prize for the most depressing small town backwards thinking Bigots in NZ, bet you moaners are all middle aged, we younger people are trying to create a world where you can be yourself unless you're from scared to diversify Olde Nelson.

Hate short Poppies too Ah Nelsonians? how yous would have loved 30s in Germany.

 Bob #45 05:11 pm Jul 13 2012

Hey "Not my real name #25 " What a daft comment. Charged with what, picking up rubbish? If you or I were to drop that amount of litter, we would be liable. As for "bully" check the photos, he had his hands on her, he could have pulled the trash off her. Technically was he not guilty of assault wrestling with her as he did? Perhaps it is she that could lay a complaint. Congratualtions to the woman,she made a protest of her own and no one got hurt, rather some cardboard rubbish was removed. Seems his protest can offend many but no one is allowed to protest against him, how rubbish is that!

Tui #44 04:55 pm Jul 13 2012

 Good on you Judy! Mr Evans is definitely a Stanton supporter "Acting more than provocatively" "coming in like a crazy woman" ... his photographs don't back up his words! Stanton is just so much bigger than Judy is, #25(& her name is Judy not 'that woman') - she is assaulting him? Please, don't make me laugh!!! Nelson Council please develop some backbone and get Stanton off the streets and out of our reserves pronto! 

Trespass protester in for the long haul
Last updated 13:00 31/10/2011
Beggar Hone Ma Heke won't be leaving his protest site in Trafalgar St in Nelson any time soon.Mr Ma Heke, who is also known as Lewis Stanton, plans to appeal the convictions and community work sentence he received in the Nelson District Court last week. Speaking from outside the Nelson Farmers store, Mr Ma Heke admitted that his stoush with the Nelson City Council, which has been going on for more than 10 years, was a long way from being resolved. "There's still a long way to go. I won't be giving up."Mr Ma Heke was found guilty of five charges of trespass, a charge of wilful damage and two charges of defacing a footpath with graffiti following a defended hearing this year.The charges stem from him protesting a blanket trespass ban by the Nelson City Council, which saw him banned from most of the city's reserves.The council took out the ban, the first time it has issued one, after years of frustration with Mr Ma Heke. He is known for his non-conformist lifestyle, and got around in a horse and cart before the council confiscated them this year. He has repeatedly breached the council's bylaws, and sparked complaints from the public, by camping with his horse and cart in public spaces around Nelson, and cooking on an open fire. Judge Tony Zohrab ruled that the council's blanket ban was unreasonable and a violation of Mr Ma Heke's rights, but he found that Mr Ma Heke had overstepped the mark in his protest, and that the council had the right to make bylaws that prohibited people from camping and lighting fires in public spaces.The council says it is prepared to work with Mr Ma Heke and will give him back his horse and cart on the strict proviso that he agrees not to break the city's bylaws and stay overnight with his horse and cart or light fires in the city's reserves.The council has offered Mr Ma Heke the right to park his horse and cart in Sovereign St or at Pioneers Park for short periods, but not overnight.However, Mr Ma Heke said this was unacceptable to him, and he couldn't agree to it, as it breached his human rights.He said his horse and cart were his transport, income and home, and he had the right to those basic elements of life.He also wanted a public apology from the council and the return of his gear, and for the next meeting between him and council staff to be held publicly."They don't have the right to take away someone's food, home or source of income."He said that for the situation to be resolved, the council would have to change its way of thinking. He wasn't doing any damage by lighting fires and camping in public reserves. It's not a big bonfire. It's the right to be able to cook my food so I can eat it, the same as everyone else." Council network services executive manager Alan Louverdis said the council was waiting to have a second meeting with Mr Ma Heke and wanted to move the situation forward, but that depended on Mr Ma Heke. The council was in a difficult position, and could not give him his horse and cart back unless he agreed to stick to the bylaws."That means he can't camp and light fires whereever he wants, and park his horse and not clean up after it."Otherwise, it just placed the council back in the same situation, he said. Mr Louverdis said the council had offered the use of Sovereign St and Pioneer Park as places to tether the horse, but if Mr Ma Heke wanted to stay in the city overnight, he should use a camping ground like the Brook or Maitai Valley ones. "We are certainly in support of resolving it amicably." An online poll by The Nelson Mail, asking readers whether they believed Mr Ma Heke had overstepped the mark in his protest, had this morning attracted 367 votes; 80 per cent of those agreed that he had done so. Beggar Hone Ma Heke won't be leaving his protest site in Trafalgar St in Nelson any time soon. Mr Ma Heke, who is also known as Lewis Stanton, plans to appeal the convictions and community work sentence he received in the Nelson District Court last week. Speaking from outside the Nelson Farmers store, Mr Ma Heke admitted that his stoush with the Nelson City Council, which has been going on for more than 10 years, was a long way from being resolved. "There's still a long way to go. I won't be giving up." Mr Ma Heke was found guilty of five charges of trespass, a charge of wilful damage and two charges of defacing a footpath with graffiti following a defended hearing this year. The charges stem from him protesting a blanket trespass ban by the Nelson City Council, which saw him banned from most of the city's reserves. The council took out the ban, the first time it has issued one, after years of frustration with Mr Ma Heke. He is known for his non-conformist lifestyle, and got around in a horse and cart before the council confiscated them this year. He has repeatedly breached the council's bylaws, and sparked complaints from the public, by camping with his horse and cart in public spaces around Nelson, and cooking on an open fire. Judge Tony Zohrab ruled that the council's blanket ban was unreasonable and a violation of Mr Ma Heke's rights, but he found that Mr Ma Heke had overstepped the mark in his protest, and that the council had the right to make bylaws that prohibited people from camping and lighting fires in public spaces. The council says it is prepared to work with Mr Ma Heke and will give him back his horse and cart on the strict proviso that he agrees not to break the city's bylaws and stay overnight with his horse and cart or light fires in the city's reserves. The council has offered Mr Ma Heke the right to park his horse and cart in Sovereign St or at Pioneers Park for short periods, but not overnight. However, Mr Ma Heke said this was unacceptable to him, and he couldn't agree to it, as it breached his human rights. He said his horse and cart were his transport, income and home, and he had the right to those basic elements of life. He also wanted a public apology from the council and the return of his gear, and for the next meeting between him and council staff to be held publicly. "They don't have the right to take away someone's food, home or source of income." He said that for the situation to be resolved, the council would have to change its way of thinking. He wasn't doing any damage by lighting fires and camping in public reserves. "It's not a big bonfire. It's the right to be able to cook my food so I can eat it, the same as everyone else." Council network services executive manager Alan Louverdis said the council was waiting to have a second meeting with Mr Ma Heke and wanted to move the situation forward, but that depended on Mr Ma Heke. The council was in a difficult position, and could not give him his horse and cart back unless he agreed to stick to the bylaws. "That means he can't camp and light fires whereever he wants, and park his horse and not clean up after it." Otherwise, it just placed the council back in the same situation, he said. Mr Louverdis said the council had offered the use of Sovereign St and Pioneer Park as places to tether the horse, but if Mr Ma Heke wanted to stay in the city overnight, he should use a camping ground like the Brook or Maitai Valley ones. "We are certainly in support of resolving it amicably."An online poll by The Nelson Mail, asking readers whether they believed Mr Ma Heke had overstepped the mark in his protest, had this morning attracted 367 votes; 80 per cent of those agreed that he had done so.
Last updated 13:00 26/10/2011
NON-CONFORMIST: Lewis Stanton with his mother, Sylvia, at his regular protest site in Trafalgar St.
Opinion poll Do you agree with Judge Tony Zohrab's opinion that Lewis Stanton 'overstepped the mark' with his street protests?     Nelson beggar Lewis Stanton has been told his protests "overstepped the mark" and his non-comformist lifestyle is not compatible with a modern city. Stanton, who is also known as Hone ma Heke, was yesterday sentenced in the Nelson District Court to 195 hours' community work. In sentencing, Judge Tony Zohrab said Stanton had evoked the New Zealand Bill of Rights and wanted to be treated like everyone else, so he should do community work like everyone else. Stanton was found guilty of five trespass charges, one charge of wilful damage and two charges of defacing a footpath with graffiti at a defended hearing in front of Judge Zohrab last month. The charges arose after Stanton protested against a blanket trespass ban issued by the Nelson City Council, which prevented him from entering most of the public reserves in the city. It was the first time the council had issued a blanket trespass order, which Judge Zohrab ruled was unreasonable and a violation of his human rights. However, he found that Stanton had broken the law by refusing to leave Civic House at closing time on a number of occasions in February, and by drawing on the footpath in Nelson in protest against the ban. Stanton was yesterday also sentenced on a separate charge of assault. Judge Pat Grace found him guilty of that charge in a separate hearing this month. Judge Zohrab said that on August 15, Stanton was protesting at his usual place in Trafalgar St when a member of the public took issue with his protest. He said the victim walked onto Stanton's cardboard and ripped it, telling Stanton to pick it up before he left. An argument broke out and Stanton punched the man once in the face with a closed fist. The man fell to the ground and suffered a dislocated shoulder and grazes. Judge Zohrab said Stanton was protesting about his human rights and not being able to tether his horse and cart where he wanted, but the victim also had the right to express himself without being threatened by Stanton. Judge Zohrab said Stanton had a history of low-level offending which showed a persistent attitude towards authority figures. He said Stanton said during the defended hearing on the blanket trespass ban that he was taking up the cause on behalf of others, because if the council banned him, they could also ban others. However, while Stanton saw himself as taking up a noble cause for others, it seemed to be a selfish battle that he was pursuing, the judge said. Judge Zohrab said rights came with certain obligations, and the council also had the right to make bylaws, including those which stopped people from parking a horse and cart in certain places and offering people cart rides. Although Stanton had said 100 years ago everyone was getting around in horse and carts, time had moved on and a homeless man's lifestyle was not compatible with the way the vast majority of New Zealanders lived. Judge Zohrab said the council had suggested to Stanton that there were other places he could live in New Zealand where his lifestyle would not be in such conflict. "It's simply incompatible with how a modern city functions." Judge Zohrab said he didn't expect anything he said would influence Stanton, as his attitude to authority stemmed from what he believed was a wrongful conviction. "You overstepped the mark in terms of damaging footpaths and caused upset to the members of the staff at civic house who were in no way responsible for the issuing of the trespass notice."Judge Zohrab said he was "told your punch was a reasonably good one, so you are fit and able". He said Stanton could do community work and go out in the van and do some work to give back to the community. It was only a short walk to probation from Trafalgar St, so Stanton could get to probation easily enough. Stanton's lawyer, Simon England, said Stanton did not receive a benefit, so could not pay a fine, and community work would be difficult for him, as he would not have anywhere to leave his horse and cart. Mr England said Stanton faced some further issues with the council regarding his horse and cart, since the council had taken them away. The cart had been stored in an area with a rat infestation, which had damaged the cart. 
 Beggar considers 'victory laps' after ban removed

Last updated 13:00 08/09/2011
Barney the horse
LIVES APART: Hone Ma Heke and his horse Barney.Nelson beggar Lewis Stanton is claiming victory after a judge threw out a blanket trespassorder which prevented him from entering most of the public reserves in the city. In the Nelson District Court yesterday, Judge Tony Zohrab said the wide-reaching ban imposed by the Nelson City Council in February was "unreasonable" and a violation of Stanton's human rights. Stanton, also known as Hone Ma Heke, was back at his regular spot in Trafalgar St begging again today. It was the first time the council had issued a blanket trespass order. Judge Zohrab found Stanton – who is known for his non-conformist lifestyle and getting around in a horse and cart – guilty of five charges of trespass, one charge of wilful damage, and two charges of defacing a footpath with graffiti. Those charges relate to protest action Stanton, 53, took after he was arrested for breaching the blanket trespass order, including refusing to leave Civic House and writing messages on a Nelson footpath. Judge Zohrab said people were entitled to protest, but not in that fashion. Stanton was remanded on bail to October 3, to see if he and the council can agree on places where he can stay with his horse and cart. Stanton has been a familiar sight protesting and begging in Trafalgar St since the trespass order was issued, and the council has looked after his horse and cart since February. The council and Stanton have been at loggerheads for more than 10 years. The council took out the blanket ban in frustration after trespassing Stanton from one place, only for him to move to another reserve. Stanton, who described himself in court yesterday as a "freelance politician", used to cook over an open fire and offer rides in his horse and cart to the public for koha. Speaking outside court yesterday, Stanton said he was pleased the ban had been thrown out. He had been confident that it would be. He said he was prepared to work with council staff, but they would have to "bend over backwards" for him. He wanted the council to provide horse parking in the city for himself and others who might wish to use it. Stanton said the case was a waste of taxes, and his costs, which were paid for by Legal Aid, would be between $7000 and $10,000 or more. He still planned to protest in Nelson, as he had nowhere to go and needed to raise funds somehow. "I'm not hopping in my gee-gee and buggering off. I might look at doing a couple of victory laps." Council network services executive manager Alec Louverdis said he would not comment on the case until after october 3. It was Stanton's turn in the witness box yesterday, after police and council staff gave evidence last month. Stanton said he had lived in his horse-drawn cart for more than 20 years. It was his home, his income and his security. He was unemployed, did not receive a benefit, and fed himself off the land and from gifts from members of the public. He said the blanket ban effectively meant he couldn't travel in Nelson because he wouldn't be able to stop regularly to take care of his horse. The council's ban breached his human rights, he said. "What it was saying was get on your horse and bugger off out of Nelson, directly or indirectly." He said he had no choice but to fight the ban, because if he hadn't, it would have allowed the Tasman or Marlborough district councils to impose similar bans. Judge Zohrab said he understood that the council had taken out the blanket ban after years of frustration, but it meant Stanton was effectively trespassed from 99.46 per cent of public land in Nelson, including parks, reserves, cemeteries, esplanades and horticultural reserves. The implications of the ban meant he would be unable to gather food from rivers, go to funerals, visit graves, go to sports grounds and use public toilets. Judge Zohrab said there was nothing in the order giving Stanton guidance about where he was allowed to go, and it would have been "incredibly difficult" to work that out. He said the trespass order was a contravention of the Human Rights Act. Stanton faces a new charge of assault, arising from an incident last month. He has pleaded not guilty and will represent himself in the case, for which he was remanded until October 12.
cath   #10   03:51 pm Sep 08 2011 he is no more a menace on the streets of nelson/motueka as the young people on scooters/bikes etc. yes to cleaning up after the horse, no to the parking, no we shouldn't be supporting him, yes give him a food/gift of your choice for a ride in his cart. he has been living like this for years and it is only now he is a problem, what is wrong with society today. his life so his choice on he how chooses to live, he's not hurting anyone and god only knows he loves his horse and treats it better than most animal owners treat their pets.
justice   #9   03:46 pm Sep 08 2011 No victim, NO CRIME! This guy is doing no one any harm. To prosecute him was nothing short of a disgrace. We are born free to live our lives as we see it, inside society or outside of society. No one signed an "i will conform" form at birth. I sure as hell didn't and will NEVER allow society to tell me how to live my life
Chris   #8   03:15 pm Sep 08 2011 Let's hope our new freedom camping rules might have a better result here. Also, does anyone from Inland Revenue want to let us know how he accounts for his horse-buggy ride hire income? Or is he getting away with that as well!
Warwick   #7   02:58 pm Sep 08 2011 Time for an old fashioned towns people mob then? This guys is a menace on the roads!
Daddio   #6   02:48 pm Sep 08 2011 Well done Lewis and thank you your Honour for allowing people to be different and still entitled to their view of life-----I'm sorry all you people in cages couldn't force Lewis into one but at least you can stay miserable in yours.
It's a Joke   #5   02:22 pm Sep 08 2011 Exactly #1 .... actually, I'm tired of paying my own way ... think I might exercise my rights and bring all my horses and animals and set up camp at one of the local parks too. To hell with paying rates, mortgage, power and feed bills - We'll live off all you generous residents. 
Jen   #4   02:15 pm Sep 08 2011Sorry let me get this straight, he was HORSE parking in the city and he expects the council staff to 'bend over backwards for him' to work stuff out with him? Horse parking in a city. How long would you leave your HORSE 'parked' there for? In the heat of summer? Surrounded by the public? Where the HORSE would probably be scared out of its wits with the noise. What happens if it bolts and injures someone? I'm going to request to the council that I get hippo parking. This is just stupid 
Evan   #3   02:07 pm Sep 08 2011 This guy is nothing but a burden on society. A society to which he does not contribute to financially. Why should he be allowed to camp on public reserves and feed is horses from the public pocket? Surely this is nothing more than feedom camping? Do your victory laps Mr Stanton, then go away. Nelson is tired of supporting you.

Caibbe   #2   01:57 pm Sep 08 2011 What a pity. He doesn't clean up the horse poo and it stank at Tahunanui last year! Horse poo in an area where people don't wear shoes is also a tetanus risk and lighting fires in public places is down right dangerous! Shame on you Mr Judge! 
bOO   #1   01:19 pm Sep 08 2011 Why should I pay rates to give this guy a home? Lots of people can hardly afford their rates but paying your way is a fact of life. 


News Update on Beggar case -06/08/2011 

Police, council staff line up to testify in beggar case

Nelson beggar Lewis Stanton's ongoing campaign of protest against the Nelson City Council went to the District Court yesterday, in his bid to clear himself of wrongdoing in relation to multiple trespass charges and defacing a footpath.A string of senior council staff and a large contingent of police staff made up the 16-strong witness list, who waited through the day to give evidence at the hearing for Mr Stanton, aka Hone Ma Heke. He has denied the charges which relate to incidents this year, when Stanton was trespassed from more than 200 public areas while at Victory Square. Stanton, defined for his fight against the establishment as much as by his horse Barney who pulls a cart containing his worldly possessions, was seen by members of the public on reserve land at Tahunanui Beach two days after the order was given in February – the first time the council has issued a blanket trespass order, the court heard yesterday. He was said to have been offering rides to the public in the cart. The council has been looking after Stanton's horse since February, grazing it and providing new shoes. The council will not say publicly where the horse is, out of concern that Stanton might repeat efforts made several years ago to get his horse by cutting down a fence.Stanton's objection to being trespassed resulted in alleged breaches of the order on multiple occasions, including entering the council's headquarters, Civic House in Trafalgar St, and refusing to leave by 5pm when the office closed. He has also denied other protest action in relation to his alleged spray painting of the council footpath in Trafalgar St.Stanton was granted legal aid to defend the charges, which were laid by the police. Lawyer Simon England told the court a key part of the defence would be reasonableness. He argued that the effect of the ban, which extends to Stanton not being able to visit cemeteries, sports grounds and recreational areas means he would not be able to attend a funeral, a game at Trafalgar Park, or swim at Tahunanui Beach except at low tide when he could access the beach from Rocks Rd. Stanton's enjoyment of public places was now limited to him being able to sitting on the side of the road, the court heard. Council parks team leader Lindsay Barber said the council would make provision for Stanton to attend a funeral if he needed to.Police prosecutor Chris Stringer said in February this year the council issued Stanton with a trespass notice banning him from a large number of council parks and reserves while he was in Victory Square. Mr Barber said a member of the public reported someone in Victory Square with a horse and cart and that cart rides were going on. It was alleged that Stanton had signs up at Victory Square asking for koha for horse rides. A fire had been lit in the square at night for cooking and horse droppings were seen around a tree. "After getting the backing from our legal team we believed we could make a blanket trespass order," Mr Barber said. Stanton is able to stay at any of the three council campsites, and grazing could be made available for his horse at either the Brook or Maitai camps, the court heard. Mr Barber said many offers were made to return Stanton's belongings to him after he had been moved on from Tahunanui. When Stanton's demands to have his horse returned to him at Albion Square were not met by the council, he allegedly spray-painted the pavement outside the Farmers store in Trafalgar St with a message he had been treated unfairly. "We would have driven him to his horse and cart but he insisted that they were to be taken to Albion Square." In answer to a question from Judge Tony Zohrab as to why that was not possible, Mr Barber said cost was a factor particularly as the cart would need to be trucked into town, the difficulties in getting the horse on to a float, and concern about transferring the problem to the Department of Conservation whose Nelson premises are on Albion Square. Mr Barber said the last thing the council wanted to do was exclude people from parks, but equally it did not want it to be difficult for others to enjoy them. The hearing was adjourned until September 7. 

  Beggar Hone Last updated 3/06/2011


Lewis Stanton, aka Hone Ma Heke, may be begging on the streets but his horse is being well cared for courtesy of the Nelson City Council.

The council's been lumbered with Mr Stanton's horse, Barney, since banning his owner from more than 200 public areas in February.

He is due to appear at Nelson District Court on August 5 to defend charges of trespass and wilful damage.

Nelson Mayor Aldo Miccio said he had heard – "though not from the horse's mouth" – that Barney was being treated very well while the council negotiated a solution with Mr Stanton.

The horse is grazing on council land and has needed a new set of shoes, costing the council about $180.

"I guess everyone needs a new pair of shoes every now and again, and horses are no different," Mr Miccio said.

It was a little ironic that Mr Stanton was living on the street, while his horse was being looked after by the council, Mr Miccio said.

"He probably wishes he could trade places with the horse. I don't know if we could have a horse sitting on the footpath on Trafalgar St though."

Mr Miccio said Mr Stanton had demanded the council bring the horse outside Nelson courthouse so that he could pick it up, but the council had felt transporting Barney in a horse float would be too stressful for it.

The council had offered to transport Mr Stanton to Barney, but he had refused.

"It's a matter of Hone agreeing – the council is willing to take him there," Mr Miccio said.

If Mr Stanton did not claim his horse soon, the council may need to start working him to recoup the costs, he said.

"All the profits go to him of course – it's his horse. The council may take a cut."

Another option could be to have Barney as one of the horses used in the Crusaders' traditional Horsemen mascots if they played a home semifinal at Trafalgar Park, Mr Miccio joked.

Speaking at his usual spot on Trafalgar St on Friday, Mr Stanton said that while he was keen to get his horse back, he did not want to leave Nelson.

The council was "persistently doing something that they were not allowed to do", so he was standing his ground, he said.

However, he would be taking a short break this week, when he went over to Tasman to look after some other horses.

"After I have done this other thing that I'm doing I will be back with a vengeance."

He said Barney would be fine in a horse-float if he was there to calm him, but he refused to do

"All they have to do is come and get me and we will put him on the float. They get rid of all the paperwork and everything else and we'll start negotiating.

"It's really up to what extent the council is going to go."


michael   #15   08:32 pm Jun 07 2011


Bloody good stuff aldo or mayor miccio I should say. Keep it up very funny and rightly making light of this situation some people have no idea ,tom, debra grow up and get over it.keep up the good work miccio you and your team are making a real difference to this city so don't listen to the knockers they're plonkers


mel   #14   06:35 pm Jun 07 2011


Can someone please tell me why this guy is getting away with all this and why hes standing in town begging? Is there something stopping him spending all that time he has standing around looking for a job and a place to live?


Tom   #13   06:21 pm Jun 07 2011


#debra#2 I agree, this is a typical "smarmy" comment made by Miccio. Shame yourself Miccio.


Blair S   #12   05:22 pm Jun 07 2011


I wish the police would just move this loser along to another region. It is disgusting that he begs on the streets of Nelson. He will certainly be getting every government benefit on offer. I am glad the council banned him from public domains. The council shouldn't be talking to this crazy because that is what he wants, some attention.


Nick   #11   04:29 pm Jun 07 2011


Why is Miccio suddenly the spokesman on EVERY council matter? Oh, that's right, it puts him up on a stage............! Me thinks he's going to be at his smarmy, unbearable best once the Italian rugby team and the RWC hit town.


Bernard   #10   04:09 pm Jun 07 2011


Money well spent! I'm sure Barney is finally smiling to himself as he happily sits in a paddock eating grass. I can only agree with other comments that he should be sold to a loving owner who will care for him and at the same time return the rate payers hard earned cash. It'll be a win win for all, well all who deserve a win.


sasha   #9   03:58 pm Jun 07 2011


I agree with "john and warwick". Get rid of the loser! He's always causing trouble for his own attention. I feel sorry for the Horse, maybe they can take the horse away from him to live out the rest of it's life in better hands. If he can't look after himself, how does he care for his horse?


Lisa   #8   02:49 pm Jun 07 2011


This guy is disgusting, stays where ever he wants, leaves his crap everywhere, Get a job and make an honest living like the rest of us!


debbie   #7   02:36 pm Jun 07 2011


I hope Barney is having a great time....he sure deserves to be spending time as a horse in a paddock not parked up like a car in the street!! Hope it lasts fella.


Phyllis   #6   02:31 pm Jun 07 2011


Tell Stanton that Barney is going to be sold in order to cover the costs so far incurred in keeping him fed, shod, and well cared for. If Stanton cares enough about Barney, perhaps he'll find himself a job. He left a horrendous mess under Motueka Bridge and the people of Motueka do not want him back. Barney deserves to be sold to an owner who will take good care of him - and who does not take him onto busy main roads.


 Mum looks out for beggar Hone Last updated 13:00 16/04/2011Sylvia Stanton of Motueka brings a packed lunch into the city for her son, Hone Ma Heke



FAMILY SUPPORT: Sylvia Stanton of Motueka brings a packed lunch into the city for her son, Hone Ma Heke Relevant offersNelson beggar Hone Ma Heke says he has no home, food or income. LAURA BASHAM looks into his claim and how he has come to be on the street.Hone Ma Heke is a bit of a mummy's boy.While he's begging on Nelson's Trafalgar St, it's mum Sylvia Stanton from Motueka who turns up with his packed lunch on a Thursday.Last Thursday she brought her 53-year-old son four sandwiches, a nutbar, cheese and crackers and a mandarin.It's a weekly meet-up because that's when she comes to help at the Salvation Army in Nelson.The hardworking 72-year-old's Sally Army stint is sandwiched between her other jobs. On Tuesdays and Fridays she works on Sport Tasman's 60-Plus programme providing outings, lunch and activities at the Motueka Recreation Centre, and on Wednesdays and Sundays she works for Care Solutions as a supervisor picking up children and taking them to their mum or dad.Still, she takes time to look out for her son. This time she wants to know how the Nelson City Council can ban him, along with his horse and cart, from more than 200 reserves and other places within its boundaries.He has taken his protest to the middle of town, inscribing the pavement with his chalk messages, endearing himself to some, enraging others. His handwritten sign alongside his plastic begging container proclaims: "No home, food, income".To explain how her son has come to be a beggar on Nelson's main street, Mrs Stanton goes back to when the family with five children lived in Blenheim.Back then he was called Lewis. Hone Ma Heke is the name given to him later in Christchurch when he helped out on a marae, and now the name has stuck, even with his mum.When he was 12 Lewis was a passenger in a Mini that was hit by a drunk driver who did not see the car and smashed into its side. The car crumpled, Lewis went through the windscreen and hit a concrete fence. He was unconscious for six weeks and in hospital for nine months."They got him up and I would walk with him, I would put my arm around his neck and he would flinch. We didn't realise he had broken his neck until three months, then they had to bring in a specialist from Wellington," Mrs Stanton recalls now.He was put in a head-to-waist plaster, which when removed revealed Mrs Stanton's missing knitting needles, which he'd used to scratch his back. He had to learn to walk again and still has a metal part in his neck.The crash means he does not like cars, which is why he prefers his horse and cart.Mrs Stanton said a family friend used to bring a horse around for the children to have rides on, and Lewis had liked horses ever since.He left school the day he turned 15, and his limited education shows in his semi-literate jottings.Mrs Stanton describes him as a caring person but also says he can be stubborn. "He will have a good argument if he thinks he is right. He stands up for himself which is what he is doing now. He will prove to you he is right."His determination to challenge the law has grown from when he was living in Christchurch in 1986, she says. He was renting a place and had street kids staying, just as she used to when a youth worker in Motueka."Apparently two or three went and did a burglary. He got charged with being an accessory and has been trying to clear his name."He has always been for the underdog. He will fight for anybody's rights, so he is not just for his rights."In a note to the Nelson Mail, he refers to the NZ Bill of Rights and says: "Every one had the Right 2 Live. Everyone has the Right 2 have there sarcqritee [security]. Every one has the Right 2 have an income. Every one has the Right 2 the freedome of Movemint."rs Stanton says Hone's horse and cart are his means of transport and his home, and his means of income is begging."He does not want to rely on the welfare system because he just does not like being a burden on them."She says for about six weeks last year, after a car hit his cart on Whakatu Drive, he was on a benefit while waiting for the driver's contribution to the repairs, but isn't now. "He took himself off the benefit because he thought other people needed it more."Hone has lived out of his horse-drawn cart for more than 20 years, at one stage in the mid-1990s based under the Motueka bridge until the Tasman District Council evicted him and others, and has been in and out of court in Nelson for trespass over the past 10 years.He spent the last summer around Mapua, then in February Mrs Stanton learnt in a text from her niece that he'd been arrested at Tahunanui. She texted and rang him but got no reply. While he prefers an old-fashioned mode of transport, he's not averse to using a cellphone and has one his mother gave him."Then I found out they'd arrested him and taken his horse and cart and everything, all his food and clothes. I luckily had some washing at home so I brought that over to him."Yes, Mum still does his washing.Nelson Bays area commander Inspector Brian McGurk said last month authorities have been tolerant and lenient with him, and the offer has always been there for him to collect his cart and horse.Hone is bailed to stay at a Sovereign St home in The Wood. It's a Housing Corporation property where a woman the Stantons know lives."If he makes any money he buys a meal to take home," says Mrs Stanton.Some days he makes $2 or $3 begging and on a good day $20, she says.After a day on the street Hone shops on his way home at Fresh Choice where his groceries have ranged from blue cheese to chocolate biscuits.Mrs Stanton, who rents a two-bedroom home in Motueka, says he could come and live with her. "But I can't have the horse and cart, there's not room."I think he wants to be in Nelson to fight for his rights. He's 53, so I can't say you come home with me."She would rather he did not beg but says it's his choice.She also understands why it has upset some people, but she didn't like the poster on a sandwich board letting people know that he is not a Christchurch quake victim."From all the support letters [to the editor] I can see people agree with him but others agree with the council. It goes both ways."One thing is sure, Mrs Stanton would never beg. "I do enough, I don't have time," she says.However, Hone has all the time in the world.

arnold   #7   09:49 am Apr 19 2011To all those self-righteous enough to say "get a job" you BETTER be thankful you have one.
Have a go on Trademe and see that even a measly part time role in Nelson is being viewed 2,000 times. I am very thankful to have my job, but NOTHING is certain. Could change tomorrow in this terrible Nelson "anti-growth" economy.
Jobs are not only scare here in Nelson, but frankly the Nelson region economy is one of the WORST in the country right now... thanks to a Council that spends the time debating about cleaning up vomit from Bridge St instead of actually promoting new jobs and companies coming to Nelson.
So, to all those who are judgmental of a homeless man, maybe it's your conscience pricking you because you know you could be out of a job soon enough the way Nelson economy decline continues.

Perhaps our Council can have a think about what happens when less and less people in the region are employed and on the dole...

D   #6   09:10 pm Apr 18 2011

After the vandalism I have seen from him spray painting on the grass next to collingwood st bridge this guy has lost any respect he may have had for standing up for what he believes in to me. It just seems like he wants to one up the council. Painting "I waz here NCC" on the grass doesn't seem like an appropriate way to stand up for his cause. Getting a job isn't hard, people are far too picky of people are genuinally concerned about getting a job they can find one. Sealord for example would be a good start to look

Coop   #5   08:37 pm Apr 18 2011Hone Teke creates his own destiny,Go get a job man!!
gayle   #3   01:40 am Apr 18 2011Why is this guy a disgrace to Nelson City? And get a job? Where is this job because my son-in-law would love to have one and i am on the understanding there isn't a lot going? have a business that is capable of employing this man.. 
D   #2   05:08 pm Apr 17 2011
This guy is a disgrace to our city. Dont complain about no income, get a job.


Rodger   #1   08:40 pm Apr 16 2011

 Feel good Mr.McGurk + Mr.Mayor?

Accident victims and low IQs are no excuse for their mediocrity ah?I bet you wish you could make special camps for all the people that don't give enough for the society you want.

So if the council gets a "number" of complaints about it's high rate rises, they will act and ban them, looks like precedent here. Perhaps they will not have a choice. 


 Last updated 13:00 02/03/2011

Hone ma Heke
ECCENTRIC: Hone ma Heke's antics have resulted in several run-ins with the authorities.

Editorial: A justified ban    Relevant offers

Click here to find out more!Tolerance is wearing thin for Lewis Stanton. Shopowners and members of the public have been complaining to the Nelson City Council and police about his presence in central Nelson.

Mr Stanton, who is also known as Hone Ma Heke, has been holding a one-man protest on Trafalgar St for the past three weeks – drawing on the pavement with chalk with anti-Nelson City Council messages after it gave him a blanket trespass notice.

He has also been begging and confronting members of the public.

In a first for the region, Mr Stanton has been banned from more than 200 reserves, cemeteries, foreshores, sports grounds and public gardens. He also had his horse and cart taken away.

The Department of Conservation is also prepared to trespass Mr Stanton if he starts to occupy its land.

Mr Stanton has been arrested eight times since the notice was issued on February 4. He has been upsetting shop owners and members of the public, with the council receiving complaints about Mr Stanton's chalk drawings and rantings.

Mr Stanton, 53, is known around town for his non-conformist lifestyle which involves getting around with a horse and cart. He believes that the trespass ban is unlawful.

Nelson Bays area commander Inspector Brian McGurk said six of the arrests related to trespass and two were related to alleged wilful damage. Mr Stanton has been bailed to a house in Nelson and is due to appear in court on Friday.

Mr McGurk said members of the public had expressed concerns that he was "openly confrontational" but others thought he was harmless and free spirited.

He said some business owners were starting to get annoyed by Mr Stanton's begging and chalk-drawing on Trafalgar St.

Mr McGurk said authorities had been tolerant and lenient with him, and the offer had always been there for Mr Stanton to collect his cart and horse.

DOC Motueka area manager Martin Rodd said he would not hesitate in dishing out Mr Stanton a trespass notice if he started occupying Albion Square Historic Reserve – the land around the Nelson Courthouse.

Mr Stanton has camped there in the past.

"But I guess in this instance what I want to recognise is the significance of the issues Nelson City Council is facing and that could very quickly shift to the historic reserve if he can't go anywhere else in Nelson."

Mr Rodd was disappointed to hear of the issues Mr Stanton had been causing including occupation, spray painting on the road and writing on the footpaths with chalk. He said many people gave their own time for projects which contributed to the public good, but Mr Stanton was doing the opposite. 

Tasman District Council environment and planning manager Dennis Bush-King said the council did not have a blanket trespass on Mr Stanton. 7 comments

@ Rossco Coups #3   #7   8:25am 

Are you serious... Are you like three? Does your Mummy know you're on here?


JakeNS   #6   8:10am 

This guy is a clown. Any European who chooses to go by a Maori name is not right in the head.


Kryton   #5   07:50 pm Mar 02 2011 

This guy is a bludging pain in the a*s and has been for years. Get a job and stop clogging up the footpath! 

Christopher   #4   07:42 pm Mar 02 2011 

I presume the Nelson Mail has approached Hone, in the interests of balanced journalism, to give his own view of recent events. Have you interviewed him at all? Do you believe that he does have a "right of reply" to the publication of information put into the broader public arena by the Mail? Are you confident that his rights to a fair hearing on the charges he faces have not been compromised by this publicity? Your editorial suggests that some blanket bans should be regarded with suspicion, but not this one. Have you prejudged what you should not? Kia kaha, Hone!


rossco coups   #3   06:42 pm Mar 02 2011 

oh the BIG tough MUNCHO men pick on the little guy that has done nufnk wrong but exercise his RIGHT to freedom of SPEACH ???? WTF do u ever do to Maori that OCCUPY private & public land an threaten & abuse public U WHIMPS - edited


Justice   #2   05:34 pm Mar 02 2011 

Pathetic! Leave the guy be you bunch of elitist thugs! There's NO VICTIM here, therefore NO CRIME!


Nick   #1   02:29 pm Mar 02 2011 

How's this guy survive? The dole, I suppose????!!!! 

Nomad's blanket trespass notice a first


Lewis Stanton
MARION VAN DIJK/ The Nelson Mail
BANNED: Lewis Stanton writes protest messages in Trafalgar St.

The Nelson City Council has handed out its first blanket trespass notice – banning a "difficult" man with a gypsy lifestyle from more than 200 reserves, cemeteries, foreshores, sports grounds and public gardens.

Lewis Stanton, who goes by the name Hone Ma Heke, was handed the notice on February 4, and had his horse and cart taken away.

Mr Stanton is well-known in Nelson for his non-conformist lifestyle, and has a long history of warnings, fines and court appearances.

Nelson Bays area commander Inspector Brian McGurk said that since the notice was issued, Mr Stanton had been arrested four times – once for wilful damage and three times for trespass.

The wilful damage charge was in relation to spraypainting the words "Horse parking only" at Tahunanui. Two of the trespass arrests related to Mr Stanton's refusal to leave Civic House at closing time.

He will appear in the Nelson District Court on March 4.

Mr McGurk said the council had been good to Mr Stanton. It had offered to pick him up and take him to pick up his horse, cart and gear so he could head on his way.

However, Mr Stanton was being "difficult and unreasonable" and refused the offer – instead asking for his belongings to be delivered to him in front of the courthouse. "That's not going to happen."

Mr Stanton, 53, has launched a protest against the council, and yesterday was writing anti-council messages in chalk on the footpath in Trafalgar St.

Council parks and facilities manager Paul McArthur said the trespass notice was issued following various bylaw infringements by Mr Stanton.

"As far as I am aware, we haven't done a blanket trespass order before. It was considered our best approach."

Mr McArthur said the notice did not completely ban Mr Stanton from Nelson. He could still go to motor camps, private properties and roads.

The cart was in storage, his horse was being looked after, and the council had offered to give him back his gear.

Mr Stanton said he arrived in Nelson last week and, while at Tahunanui, the notice was served on him and his horse and cart taken.

He said he was not going to tolerate being denied his "basic human rights".

"They are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole."

Mr Stanton had been trespassed from specific reserves in the past but had never received a blanket trespass notice until now. The messages he wrote on the footpath yesterday included: "Nelson City Council – I will have my horse and cart delivered to me" and "No food, no income, no home, no human rights".


- The Nelson Mail

UPDATE 18/2/2011 


'Draconian' council ban criticised

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Some people have taken exception to non-conformist Lewis Stanton being trespassed from much of Nelson.

In what is a first for the region, Nelson City Council banned Mr Stanton, also known as Hone Ma Heke, from more than 200 reserves, cemeteries, foreshores, sports grounds and public gardens.

Mr Stanton, 53, is known around town for his non-conformist lifestyle which involves getting around with a horse and cart. He was handed the blanket trespass notice on February 4, and also had his horse and cart taken away.

Former Nelson Mayor and MP Philip Woollaston said the action was "draconian" and the story has attracted several comments online, all opposing the council decision.

But Nelson City Council staff and the mayor are making no apologies.

NCC parks and facilities manager Paul McArthur said the council received a number of phone complaints about Mr Stanton on February 3 and 4.

"In response to this community feedback, council responded by asking him to leave then subsequently served a trespass notice. The process of using trespass notices for reserve infringements after previous warnings is applied in exactly the same way for freedom camper issues on reserves."

Mr McArthur wouldn't elaborate on the details of Mr Stanton's "various bylaw infringements" because they were subject to legal proceedings. But he said Mr Stanton had breached bylaws multiple times in the past and this had created problems for the public use and enjoyment of various reserves around the city.

"In most cases a trespass notice for an individual reserve has resulted in him moving on to another reserve rather than ceasing the infringements."

Mr Stanton believes he should be allowed the freedom to park up on public land. He has lived on the road for more than 20 years and made the decision to escape the system after he believed he was "wrongly convicted" for three offences in 1986.

Mr Stanton has launched a protest against the council, and has been writing anti-council messages in chalk on the footpath in Trafalgar St. He said the police should drop all charges and the council should drop the trespass ban, which it was not entitled to dish out in the first place.

"They are also stopping me from having an income."

The council offered to take Mr Stanton to collect his horse and cart every day. However, Mr Stanton said he had nowhere to take the horse and cart. He did not want to head out of town as he had court hearings to go to."The horse is probably better off with the council until such time as they turn around and drop all of the charges, take the notice away and prove some authority that they have the right to do what they have done – because it will bite them in the arse."

He would not say where he was staying, but said he was begging for money to buy food. Having no horse and cart meant he had no income as he took children on rides.

Nelson Mayor Aldo Miccio said he had no problem with the approach taken by the council. "We're sticking to the rules because there's one rule for everybody. It's a matter for the courts now. We'll see what happens there."

One Nelson Mail reader online described the council as "a bunch of bullies". "This guy harms no-one but himself," commented Jen. "Is the Nelson City Council overcompensating for the negative backlash from allowing freedom pooers, whoops, campers into the inner city?"

Another reader, Christopher, suggested the council give Mr Stanton roving ambassador status, making him a warden with special responsibilities for freedom campers. People who knew Mr Stanton knew he was "a decent man with a strong sense of community", Christopher said.

"He and his horse and cart are assets to Nelson, not liabilities. It is important to embrace difference. Kia haha, Hone!"

- The Nelson Mail


Christopher   #8   05:59 pm Feb 18 2011


I thought this was a moderated site. Was I not looking when it became okay to publish comments of a slanderous nature, such as that of Freddie #6? Is this good journalism? Otherwise,good on you, Nelson Mail, for picking up a story on public support for Hone. He does have a constituency here. Maybe the Council will choose to respond to this "community feedback", as it did in imposing its blanket trespass notice. There seems to be a case for a prudent, negotiated, settlement of the issues.Is it really necessary to occupy Court time at our collective expense? Does the Mail have an editorial position it would care to share?


Walshy   #7   05:37 pm Feb 18 2011


I wouldn't to be the first to complain Arnie .....

Nelson City Council could work with Lewis as long as they don't fall over their own egos... So the norm now for for non-conformists is to ban them all ?

Wake up Nelson City Council, you are not doing yourselves or our city any favours .....


Freddie   #6   03:48 pm Feb 18 2011


I hate the way he treats that poor horse - it looks constantly tired and to be suffering from malnutrition. I compliment the council on it's handling of the matter.


Daddio   #5   02:06 pm Feb 18 2011


Mr. Stanton is a part of Nelson same as Fifeshire rock,my family have been here since 1842 and yet our Mayor is just a carpetbagger or a 'strapon' as they say in the new vernacular,leave our icons alone or find someplace else to live. Hone is friendly and harmless,this town is semi rural whether you like it or not---don't like it then there's two doors,one north the other south,pick one.


werty   #4   01:53 pm Feb 18 2011


The guy is an idiot. Always has been and always will be. The sooner he goes away the better for all.


ddf   #3   01:25 pm Feb 18 2011


I met Mr Stanton over the Christmas / New Year period at Mapua. Whilst where he was intending to stay the night in his cart and tent was in a no camping area, he was not doing anyone any harm or preventing anyone else from enjoying the countryside and area where he was camping. He was a very interesting person to talk to and very ameniable and friendly to all those who passed. I think that the council needs to justify and publicise why they have / are trespassing Mr Stanton the way they are and publicise what the complaints about Mr Stanton actually were - were they in fact legitimate complaints or someone whose occupation was to grizzle and complain about anything that didnt suit them personally. A question for the Nelson Council and mayor:- Are you actively trespassing everyone that breaches council regulations and parks up or camps in a reserve or park, etc such as Mr Stanton has been or are you just making a scapegoat out of Mr Stanton?? Come on Nelson Council - Give us the public the full facts oh the matter instead of the usual spin dr rubbish that is basically a nothing answer.


Misty   #2   01:20 pm Feb 18 2011


It appears to me that Mr Stanton has had a pretty raw deal from council and police for quite a few years, I remember when his cart got rammed on wakatu drive, there was never any mention of the person who managed to hit a whacking great cart on the highway being charged, just suddenly wakatu drive was being called a motorway. So therefore, I guess Mr Stanton had to replace his cart out of his own small income. He is totally harmless, and always has been, hes just different, but thats not usually a crime, what is the problem with his horse grazing the grass on reserves, fair enough it'll poo there, but hell, I'd rather step over a horse poo than into a human one anyday...maybe, he should park up amongst the freedom campers, theres no regulation stating their mode of transport has to be motorised is there?


arnie   #1   01:16 pm Feb 18 2011